Proposal: Cgy Prospect Swap for Centre

[crackdown44]

It wasn't ridiculous! Kapanen is good center prospect and Flames first be around 14-15th. Kapanen plus 14 for 9th overall favours you actually. It's best offer you'll get on here. Parekh was 9th overall and plateaued this season. Only reason I offer that much he's right shot. If he was left shot I wouldnt offer Calgary first alone. For I know 14 will get me one of Fiddler, Bear or Mrtka. Who I see just as good.

You're not getting top 6 center drafting 30th. Kapanen is future third line center with potential to play in top 6

So you can’t draft a top 6 center 30th but Kapanen who was drafted 64th overall has top 6 potential. Interesting

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don't see them trading Parekh but the value you are offering is fair. I did notice that some fans tried to laugh at Beck and/or Kapanen and totally ignored the 1st rounder (14th OA ish) in the equation. Not sure why fans just can't deny the trade without prospect trashing.

No it really isn't. Zayne Parekh has the potential to be a superstar defenseman. Yes he could completely flop but the potential is very clearly there. Anyone trading for Zayne is doing it in hopes he becomes that elite offensive powerhouse like Quinn Hughes or prime EK65.

Kapanen has the potential to be a middle 6 center and whoever is picked in the ~14 range will be at best similar caliber to Coronato. Another good middle 6 guy but not a true 1st line talent. That offer is very clearly a quantity for quality offer and Calgary would instantly block your number.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No it really isn't. Zayne Parekh has the potential to be a superstar defenseman. Yes he could completely flop but the potential is very clearly there. Anyone trading for Zayne is doing it in hopes he becomes that elite offensive powerhouse like Quinn Hughes or prime EK65.

Kapanen has the potential to be a middle 6 center and whoever is picked in the ~14 range will be at best similar caliber to Coronato. Another good middle 6 guy but not a true 1st line talent. That offer is very clearly a quantity for quality offer and Calgary would instantly block your number.

This is not my debate. I'm not the one trying to trade for Parekh. Don't waste your time. Most Habs fans know the difference between Parekh and Kapanen. I am personally very aware of who Parekh is.

The other Habs fan offered Kapanen and a 1st (for the record). The point was... it was from one fan and it was also taken out of context and the 12-18 range 1st was completely ignored. Spend a bit more time comprehending the conversation trail.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

This is not my debate. I'm not the one trying to trade for Parekh. Don't waste your time. Most Habs fans know the difference between Parekh and Kapanen. I am personally very aware of who Parekh is.

The other Habs fan offered Kapanen and a 1st (for the record). The point was... it was from one fan and it was also taken out of context and the 12-18 range 1st was completely ignored. Spend a bit more time comprehending the conversation trail.

Why are you getting so defensive and trying to avert the point. Whether the other poster made the proposal or not does not change what I quoted. You very literally said "the value you are offering is fair." It is not fair, simple as that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why are you getting so defensive and trying to avert the point. Whether the other poster made the proposal or not does not change what I quoted. You very literally said "the value you are offering is fair." It is not fair, simple as that.

Not sensitive. Just providing clarity. Kapanen and a pick from 12-18 is fair for someone taken 9th last draft. Doesn't mean you say yes but the value is fair. And once again, it's not my offer. Why are you ignoring that the 12-18 range 1st was offered with Kapanen? It's weird.

This does not warrant any further debate or prospect trash or "not even close" narratives. Move on time bud

 

[stempniaksen]

Senators aren't exactly swimming in prospect centers, but they do have 4 young guys in the NHL currently blocking the way for anyone on the verge of NHL minutes. I think they'd move Stephen Halliday(+) for a piece on the back end. I'm not going to pretend I know who would make sense from a CGY perspective but given all the D listed by the OP there might be a fit.

Zach Ostapchuk probably should be available for the right piece but I don't think a prospect swap is what Staois would have in mind with him.

 

[mrinsane]

Dvorak and Pezz for a 4th rounder

 

[bernmeister]

unfortunately zib not waiving

 

[crazyfisherman]

Not sensitive. Just providing clarity. Kapanen and a pick from 12-18 is fair for someone taken 9th last draft. Doesn't mean you say yes but the value is fair. And once again, it's not my offer. Why are you ignoring that the 12-18 range 1st was offered with Kapanen? It's weird.

This does not warrant any further debate or prospect trash or "not even close" narratives. Move on time bud

Is that how it works? Surely you would think the florida or NJ pick + someone like poirier for the guy drafted 21 just last yr is a very fair offer too right.

 

[DJJones]

If a mediocre prospect and a mid round 1st got you into the top ten there would be be 5 of those trades every year haha

 

[Haatley]

Not sensitive. Just providing clarity. Kapanen and a pick from 12-18 is fair for someone taken 9th last draft. Doesn't mean you say yes but the value is fair. And once again, it's not my offer. Why are you ignoring that the 12-18 range 1st was offered with Kapanen? It's weird.

This does not warrant any further debate or prospect trash or "not even close" narratives. Move on time bud

No. No it is not fair.

Draft position of a player has very little to do with trade value.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If a mediocre prospect and a mid round 1st got you into the top ten there would be be 5 of those trades every year haha

Not a mediocre prospect and we are really not trying to trade for Parekh... I guy the Flames just drafted at 9th. That was one comment from one poster pondering something and it does not reflect what most of the Habs fan base thinks. Some of you went with it way too deep and that's the comical part for me. Typical HF trade boards.

If you want to talk about Kapanen only... He's very far from a mediocre prospect and we are not really shopping him. He's pt/game in the SHL and we like his development. No, we are not offering Kapanen and a 1st (12-18 range) for a guy the Flames just drafted. It makes no sense and once again, you guys need to chill. It was one poster and not our entire fan base.

I know Parekh very well as I was looking at him in last years draft when the Habs picked 5th. He's not really the type of D man we are looking for with Hutson and Matheson on our roster. Relax, we are not trying to steal away your apparent gem.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not sensitive. Just providing clarity. Kapanen and a pick from 12-18 is fair for someone taken 9th last draft. Doesn't mean you say yes but the value is fair. And once again, it's not my offer. Why are you ignoring that the 12-18 range 1st was offered with Kapanen? It's weird.

This does not warrant any further debate or prospect trash or "not even close" narratives. Move on time bud

When did I ever ignore the 1st?

Parekh was projected to go as high as 3rd. Just because he fell to 9 doesn't mean he is worth less. Surely you understand what it's like to get have a prospect of higher potential fall to you, you did draft Hage at 21 right? Would you say Kapanen and the 1st is fair for Demidov? If not, it's time for you to move on bud

 

[Habs Halifax]

When did I ever ignore the 1st?

Parekh was projected to go as high as 3rd. Just because he fell to 9 doesn't mean he is worth less. Surely you understand what it's like to get have a prospect of higher potential fall to you, you did draft Hage at 21 right? Would you say Kapanen and the 1st is fair for Demidov? If not, it's time for you to move on bud

Move on time. You and others grabbed on that other Habs fan (pondering though) and made it something way more than it should have been. You and others have been trashing Kapanen over and over again for like 2 or 3 pages now. Grow up

Parekh did not go 3rd. He went 9th. I'm not going to attack his game like you are with Kapanen. It would be dumb and provide little context into the purpose of this thread .

This is how you and others are acting... Parekh is now worth the 3rd OA?

 

[Bond]

I’ve never seen someone defend someone else’s mediocre proposal so vigorously lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’ve never seen someone defend someone else’s mediocre proposal so vigorously lol

That's because you and others keep posting this BS above. "lol"

Wasted time for all of us

 

[waitin425]

The OP puts Parekh on the table and then the rest of the Flames fan base screams when teams offer something. This thread is just weird.

A recent 9th overall pick who is playing exactly to that draft position thus far is not worth much more than a 12th + decent prospect. Value is value.

If your argument (as someone said above) is that Parekh has Quinn Hughes or EK65 upside....well then the value your are placing on him is a top 3 pick.

If you think a pick you got at 9 is actually a top 3, then you should just take him off the table. Currently he has done nothing to vastly improve his draft stock in my opinion.

The parallel could be if we put Demidov on the table and labeled his value as a 5th overall. A 5th overall could be traded for a 9th plus decent prospect. In a vaccum that is not out of the question. However......there isn't a Habs fan on the planet that would trade Demidov at this point to move back, because we put him 2nd behind Celebrini from that draft.

So the question is......how much do you value Parekh? Is he what a 9th overall pick should be....or is he worth more?

 

[Habs Halifax]

The OP puts Parekh on the table and then the rest of the Flames fan base screams when teams offer something. This thread is just weird.

A recent 9th overall pick who is playing exactly to that draft position thus far is not worth much more than a 12th + decent prospect. Value is value.

If your argument (as someone said above) is that Parekh has Quinn Hughes or EK65 upside....well then the value your are placing on him is a top 3 pick.

If you think a pick you got at 9 is actually a top 3, then you should just take him off the table. Currently he has done nothing to vastly improve his draft stock in my opinion.

The parallel could be if we put Demidov on the table and labeled his value as a 5th overall. A 5th overall could be traded for a 9th plus decent prospect. In a vaccum that is not out of the question. However......there isn't a Habs fan on the planet that would trade Demidov at this point to move back, because we put him 2nd behind Celebrini from that draft.

So the question is......how much do you value Parekh? Is he what a 9th overall pick should be....or is he worth more?

Not worth talking about it more. Their focus is to ignore the value of a pick from 10-16 range and trash talk Kapanen. Value is not far off but I can understand and respect a no to your proposal. The nit picking Kapanen trashing after it? I don't respect that so much.

I for one am not after an 18 year old. Rather try to acquire Nemec if possible. Closer to NHL ready and I think his defensive game is better.

 

[DJJones]

The OP puts Parekh on the table and then the rest of the Flames fan base screams when teams offer something. This thread is just weird.

A recent 9th overall pick who is playing exactly to that draft position thus far is not worth much more than a 12th + decent prospect. Value is value.

If your argument (as someone said above) is that Parekh has Quinn Hughes or EK65 upside....well then the value your are placing on him is a top 3 pick.

If you think a pick you got at 9 is actually a top 3, then you should just take him off the table. Currently he has done nothing to vastly improve his draft stock in my opinion.

The parallel could be if we put Demidov on the table and labeled his value as a 5th overall. A 5th overall could be traded for a 9th plus decent prospect. In a vaccum that is not out of the question. However......there isn't a Habs fan on the planet that would trade Demidov at this point to move back, because we put him 2nd behind Celebrini from that draft.

So the question is......how much do you value Parekh? Is he what a 9th overall pick should be....or is he worth more?

It's not the 1st plus a good prospect that people are mocking. It's Kapanen being treated like hes a blue chip enough to move up 5 spots in the top 10.

If hes that good keep him, no one is paying that for 20 games in the SHL. I can't imagine he's even on their radar.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The OP puts Parekh on the table and then the rest of the Flames fan base screams when teams offer something. This thread is just weird.

A recent 9th overall pick who is playing exactly to that draft position thus far is not worth much more than a 12th + decent prospect. Value is value.

If your argument (as someone said above) is that Parekh has Quinn Hughes or EK65 upside....well then the value your are placing on him is a top 3 pick.

If you think a pick you got at 9 is actually a top 3, then you should just take him off the table. Currently he has done nothing to vastly improve his draft stock in my opinion.

The parallel could be if we put Demidov on the table and labeled his value as a 5th overall. A 5th overall could be traded for a 9th plus decent prospect. In a vaccum that is not out of the question. However......there isn't a Habs fan on the planet that would trade Demidov at this point to move back, because we put him 2nd behind Celebrini from that draft.

So the question is......how much do you value Parekh? Is he what a 9th overall pick should be....or is he worth more?

Drafts have ledges. That’s why it’s almost impossible to trade into the top 10.
Parekh is an A level prospect. You want an A level prospect than you’re going to have to offer one in return. Hagens, Demidov, Buuim, Misa, Frondell, Martone, Desnoyers, Ritchie are the kinds of prospect that would be worth consideration.

This draft drops off after 7 and then you get into the B prospects. We also have 2 firsts in the top 20ish picks already.

The Flames have a boatload of B prospects already: Suniev, Basha, Gridin, Mews, Brustewicz, Morin, Honzek, Stromgren, Battaglia, L. Misa. The last thing they need is a few more B prospects (which you are offering) for their one blue chipper.

 

[waitin425]

Drafts have ledges. That’s why it’s almost impossible to trade into the top 10.
Parekh is an A level prospect. You want an A level prospect than you’re going to have to offer one in return. Hagens, Demidov, Buuim, Misa, Frondell, Martone, Desnoyers, Ritchie are the kinds of prospect that would be worth consideration.

This draft drops off after 7 and then you get into the B prospects. We also have 2 firsts in the top 20ish picks already.

The Flames have a boatload of B prospects already: Suniev, Basha, Gridin, Mews, Brustewicz, Morin, Honzek, Stromgren, Battaglia. The last thing they need is a few more B prospects (which you are offering) for their one blue chipper.

What ledge was Hutson? What ledge was Hage...just last year. Was there a ledge after Parekh? I personally put Dickinson at the 11th overall ahead of Parekh. Drafts having ledges with demonstrative drop offs is silly.

Each pick has statistical probability over history of making the show. If you want to apply this "a ledge" argument, show me where the ledges are over time. I believe it is more of a curve. See below.

 

[crackdown44]

What ledge was Hutson? What ledge was Hage...just last year. Was there a ledge after Parekh? I personally put Dickinson at the 11th overall ahead of Parekh. Drafts having ledges with demonstrative drop offs is silly.

Each pick has statistical probability over history of making the show. If you want to apply this "a ledge" argument, show me where the ledges are over time. I believe it is more of a curve. See below.

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I mean you can see by the slope of your curve in the first round how much more value a guy in the top 5 has than a guy in the top 10, a guy in the top 10 vs a guy at 20

It’s literally the sharpest decline of the curve

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

What ledge was Hutson? What ledge was Hage...just last year. Was there a ledge after Parekh? I personally put Dickinson at the 11th overall ahead of Parekh. Drafts having ledges with demonstrative drop offs is silly.

Each pick has statistical probability over history of making the show. If you want to apply this "a ledge" argument, show me where the ledges are over time. I believe it is more of a curve. See below.

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They do. Parekh won CHL dman of the year as a 17 year old… he is extremely dynamic. Those players are rarely found outside the top tier.
Hutson is one of them, Gaudreau was one, Wolf is one. It happens, but usually there is statistical evidence that they are going to be great.
Kapanen is a solid prospect. If you want a B prospect in return like Mews, sure I think that makes sense. But players like Parekh just aren’t traded unless something special in return is coming back, ie not Kapanen.