Confirmed Trade: [CGY/PHI] Morgan Frost, Joel Farabee for Andrei Kuzmenko, Jakob Pelletier, 2025 2nd, 2028 7th

[Flyer lurker]

So whats the deal with the Flyers? Are they rebuilding or retooling? I'm just confused at the direction this team is headed because I thought they were just going to add to the group they already have.

When they decide let all the flyers fans know cause we don't know either.

 

[DFF]

They would have been better off putting Farabee on waiver if they wanted to get rid of him

Now they lost a center they needed whether he is good or not, he is a NHLer, for basically garbage. Sure a mid 2nd is something but not much and you usually can get it for a mediocre rental

 

[fmrdh]

Honestly...I thought Kuzmenko would have cleared waivers.

 

[Lunatik]

Slept on it.

Organization is still Dogshit and they deserve everything that comes to them for catering to the lord emperor Torts.

We have room for you on our bandwagon

Philly just waving the white flag on the season I guess? Seems like an odd deal for them all around.

Calgary seems to get much more solid (on paper anyway) while the Flyers are adding a very non-Tortorella type and a smaller energy winger.

How does the Calgary lineup look after this deal? Does Pospisil go back up with the big line? Keep the incoming Flyers together and drop Sharangovich down to the fourth line, sending Rooney to the stands?

Huberdeau - Kadri - Pospisil
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Farabee - Frost - Klapka
Lomberg - Sharangovich - Bishop

That’s a pretty solid lineup (in my opinion) on a low budget.

This is my guess (lines 2 and 3 will see similar ice-time):

Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Pospisil - Frost - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Lomberg - Bishop - Klapka

it gets more interesting when Zary returns, as he likely pushes Pospisil down in the lineup to the 4th line, where he could replace either Bishop or Klapka.

 

[1865]

Exactly! 1600 NHL games and a Stanley Cup but the man doesn't know how to coach.

He's a good coach, too good for what we need right now and too obstinate for us right now too. He knows how to coach precisely one way and anyone who doesn't fit his style doesn't play. This leads to him killing the development of young players with any degree of unpredictability or flair.

We need a shitty coach or a coach who's got a reputation for developing players 20-23. Torts ain't that.

 

[Rebels57]

Still trying to wrap my had around this trade. I do believe Calgary might have come out ahead but that can be debated. Calgary has eaten up a lot of cap space for 2 players that are proven NHLers but are inconsistent and have been healthy scratched this year but fairly young. I can see Conroy looking at their upside but is that roster even close to being a Cup contender? I believe they need a star player, but they have hung around this year and instead of selling they have gave their players on Calgary a vote of confidence. Just do not see an end game vision for them. Philadelphia, idk, selling, retooling? no idea

Trust me when I say, they did nothing to deserve a healthy scratch. Torts is as big of an asshole as ever. He benched Michkov the final 28 minutes of the game last night with a short bench already because he had ONE turnover on the Powerplay (cross ice saucer pass knocked down out of mid-air resulting in a break the other way).

Farabee is a very strong rebound candidate getting away from Torts.

Frost I think is more of a 50 point max player but I think this Farabee trade could come back to haunt them just like when they moved Patrick Sharp for peanuts because of a falling out with Hitchcock many moons ago. He can skate, he has a very good wrist shot, and he's developed a bit of edge to his game. Just a very solid all-around young player. He's overpaid at the moment but will live up to that away from Torts and have a good career.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

Flames absolutely robbed them my god. Frost isn't great but he's a solid 2/3C tweener decent defensively and Farabee has great potential and is solid defensively and if he was getting more of a chance I could see him getting 70 pts no problem.

Farabee makes $5.5 for a few more years, and does next to nothing with his great potential. Frost shows up for a game and disappears for 5, over and over. Watch them you will see...

 

[Bond]

The most confusing part of this for me is that Brière thought Kuzmenko had value lol.

 

[saintunspecified]

Last night's disallowed goal and then a blueline turnover that led to a breakaway as examples.

With you on the turnover, but it's not like he erased a goal from the scoreboard. imo he stopped Sorokin from making a blocker save, and it wouldn't have been a goal if he hadn't interfered. It wasn't like some interference that may or may not have affected the play. The only net effect it may have had is momentum. Likely, fatigue had more to do with the change in momentum than anything else.

Regardless of anyone's frustration it doesn't make any sense to to move a decent center from that team without getting one in return. Even if they don't mean to compete short term.

 

[belair]

Maybe Edmonton fan's can correct me but there is a restaurant in downtown Edm called Joey. It is not the same as the Joey's

I'm from Ontario, but I believe the issue at the time was that the organization chose to wine and dine him at a chain restaurant.

 

[1865]

Honestly...I thought Kuzmenko would have cleared waivers.

I feel like there's a little HF hyperbole going on here. He's no superstar by any stretch but clearing waivers? He's basically a rental at a good age with 65 goals and 135 points in 190 games in the NHL. Even if you take out his best season at Vancouver he's still going at around a 45 point pace. He's got reasonable underlying stats too with a positive shot differential of 52.7 CF% and 2.9 Rel CF%.

He's hardly some scrub fourth liner and he's not a contractual disaster either. Don't let this make people believe I care too much, but your post is silly.

 

[BKarchitect]

The most confusing part of this for me is that Brière thought Kuzmenko had value lol.

Maybe a little given the connection to Michkov but I’d say he is overwhelmingly a salary makeweight for the rest of the year more than anything.

And let’s be honest - he could easily go on a heater like he did at the end of last year when he first got to Calgary, scoring a bunch of meaningless goals in a bunch of meaningless games. To me that may actually be counterproductive for the Flyers if it happens. But Philly and Torts can just let him intro the wind after the season so it’s not like they are taking on a negative value contract past this year.

 

[1865]

Trust me when I say, they did nothing to deserve a healthy scratch. Torts is as big of an asshole as ever. He benched Michkov the final 28 minutes of the game last night with a short bench already because he had ONE turnover on the Powerplay (cross ice saucer pass knocked down out of mid-air resulting in a break the other way).

Farabee is a very strong rebound candidate getting away from Torts.

Frost I think is more of a 50 point max player but I think this Farabee trade could come back to haunt them just like when they moved Patrick Sharp for peanuts because of a falling out with Hitchcock many moons ago. He can skate, he has a very good wrist shot, and he's developed a bit of edge to his game. Just a very solid all-around young player. He's overpaid at the moment but will live up to that away from Torts and have a good career.

Farabee and Frost are as mediocre as they come man. They may rebound a little but they're middle six fodder at best, and Frost is likely fourth line material on a good team.

 

[Nanuuk]

Great trade by Conroy. All things being equal, as in Frost and Farabee score at Pelletier and Kuzmenko's rate, the Flames are bit younger, bigger, faster, and grittier than they were before.

Conroy had identified this as a gap to be addressed previously. The new boys will fill in to the team's identity just nicely in that regard. Should they bring an uptick in scoring (I think they will) all the better.

It is hard to determine Briere's angle in this other than he is stockpiling picks and may have other deals in mind. He could be going the team tank route as well.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Frost and Farabee had no future on the Flyers they are what they are.
but man does the value not seem that great. Pretty much hoping Kuzmenko somehow turns back into his rookie year, and that is not likely to happen.

I guess they also gained some flexibility to make some UFA mistakes idk

Why not? Seems like Kuzmenko and Michkov have at least some familiarity from their time with SKA.

If nothing else the couple of months together should help Matvei continue to adjust.

 

[Rebels57]

The most confusing part of this for me is that Brière thought Kuzmenko had value lol.

He also thought Pelletier, who cleared waivers in December, had value

 

[ponder719]

The most confusing part of this for me is that Brière thought Kuzmenko had value lol.

If, somehow, adding Kuzmenko greases the skids for a Pettersson deal or serves as Michkov's anger translator, then yes, he has value.

If not, I can't imagine what he brings other than yet another reason for Torts to need a lifetime supply of Rolaids.

 

[TotalHomer]

How long before Kuzmenko is in Tort's doghouse

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Philly’s center depth is the reason they should tank unless an Eichel type player becomes available. Cates has been good but he doesn’t really have top 6 upside. Luchanko is the next center with potential in the system and he was just drafted in 2024. Even if he hits it will probably take 4-5 years. It’s going to be a long bumpy road down the middle. Since they have 7 picks in the first 2 rounds this year they should get a few with upside. Worst thing they can do is signing a middle six type of free agent like when they got Hayes. Just ride it out sucking till center depth is replenished

 

[Curufinwe]

We have room for you on our bandwagon

This is my guess (lines 2 and 3 will see similar ice-time):

Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Pospisil - Frost - Sharangovich
Coleman - Backlund - Coronato
Lomberg - Bishop - Klapka

it gets more interesting when Zary returns, as he likely pushes Pospisil down in the lineup to the 4th line, where he could replace either Bishop or Klapka.

Farabee can play RW, but has been mostly on the left for a while because the Flyers somehow ended up with Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink and Hathaway as right handed wings who prefer the right side. And they just added another right handed winger.

 

[Siludin]

How long before Kuzmenko is in Tort's doghouse

He's already signed the lease

 

[Curufinwe]

Farabee and Frost are as mediocre as they come man.

That's weird, because the Flyers still have a dozen forwards on the roster who produced less than they did.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

No matter what you think of Frost and Farabee, they are legitimate NHLers.

Frost, in particular, is a legitimate NHL centre who’s 25 and makes $2.1M, and may be signed to a much lower number than he should have been because his coach nerfed his offense.

Farabee is a lock for close to 40 points every year, he’s 24, and he doesn’t miss games. He’s signed for three more years at… $5M a year? That’s not even Josh Anderson Money.

Pelletier and Kuzmenko have had a hot ten days. At Christmas, they had been complete non-factors the entire season.

I’ve never seen my team sell high on anyone like they’ve done here. Amazing.

 

[Kahvi]

How long before Kuzmenko is in Tort's doghouse

He's been there for at least 10 hours now

 

[wetcoast]

He's been there for at least 10 hours now

Came here to say this although he has played with Michkov in the past but he will be Torts whipping boy at some point no doubt.

Calgary did well here BTW.