Waived: [CGY] Devin Cooley (cleared), Jakob Pelletier (cleared), and Cole Schwindt (claimed by VGK) waived by the Flames

[Petes2424]

Plus I doubt teams have been scouting him. Thats a bigger factor than most account for. It's a lot to put someone on your NHL roster based on nothing but reputation and stats

His size doesn’t help either. Not many teams are throwing 5’9” players in their bottom 6 these days. His size alone, almost says he won’t be claimed, but we’ll see.

 

[Miller Time]

Would be surprised if CBJ doesn't claim him...

 

[Frenchy]

I would see Montreal taking a chance on Pelletier

 

[Bond]

For Pelletier's sake, I hope he's claimed. The Flames are just utterly hopeless when it comes to developing their own prospects or basic common sense asset management.

Also would be nice if Schwindt was claimed, mainly cause he sucks.

Pelletier is way more likely to go the way of Phillips. Worst case the Flames lost out on Byron. He’s a middle six guy at best.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

No chances he passes through right? This is Valimaki 2.0. Sure his camp wasn't the best but there's no world where this makes more sense than waiving Hanley

 

[Yepthatsme]

No chances he passes through right? This is Valimaki 2.0. Sure his camp wasn't the best but there's no world where this makes more sense than waiving Hanley

Valimaki is a 26 year old man and this is legitimately the first season he would enter as one of our 3 best LD. You can have prospects that turn out to be NHLers and still not have room for all of them.

Pelletier has been passed by 1st rounders 1, 2, and 4 years younger than him. That’s already half an NHL top 9 who all look like they’ll get varying amounts of games this year with more the season after. Not much space to give him the favorable minutes he’ll need to develop.

He also just looks like he needs AHL games to get back on track at this point which is the big reason I really hope he doesn’t get claimed. Another poster summed it up well, he just looks scared right now. That’s not gonna fly for a guy who projects to be a two way guy who makes a name for himself on his ability to create turnovers.

 

[SaintMorose]

He also just looks like he needs AHL games to get back on track at this point which is the big reason I really hope he doesn’t get claimed. Another poster summed it up well, he just looks scared right now. That’s not gonna fly for a guy who projects to be a two way guy who makes a name for himself on his ability to create turnovers.

I think this is the biggest part of it.

It's not like the prospect of getting a useful NHL player isn't there with Pelletier, but I'd agree he needs to gain confidence back and become a puck-hound once again and I'm not sure he's going to get that in the NHL no matter which team claims him. More likely a coach will have him struggle with <8 mins a night in and out of the roster while focused on more impactful players.

I think there's a better chance the Flames can get Pelletier back on track in the AHL.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Valimaki is a 26 year old man and this is legitimately the first season he would enter as one of our 3 best LD. You can have prospects that turn out to be NHLers and still not have room for all of them.

Pelletier has been passed by 1st rounders 1, 2, and 4 years younger than him. That’s already half an NHL top 9 who all look like they’ll get varying amounts of games this year with more the season after. Not much space to give him the favorable minutes he’ll need to develop.

He also just looks like he needs AHL games to get back on track at this point which is the big reason I really hope he doesn’t get claimed. Another poster summed it up well, he just looks scared right now. That’s not gonna fly for a guy who projects to be a two way guy who makes a name for himself on his ability to create turnovers.

I'm not going to argue Valimaki over any of Hanifin, Weegar, or Zadorov. But he is, and has been since he was waived, a full time NHLer.

I am also not going to argue that his camp was good, because it was average at best. The point is we are sending down one of our waiver exempt guys no matter what tomorrow (assuming Yegor is healthy). I'm fairly confident it will be Coronato. So if that is happening why did they waive Pelletier over 33 Joel Hanley when we just signed Barrie? What is the rational here? Odds are Honzek doesn't play more than 9 games so as soon as he's sent back down Pelletier slots in.

I really don't think Pelts needs more AHL time that much, his fundamentals were good at camp. It was his confidence that seemed to be hurting.

 

[MXD]

I sincerely hope this isn't another situation the flames come to regret like Matthew Phillips

This looks like a Paul Byron situation to me.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I'm not going to argue Valimaki over any of Hanifin, Weegar, or Zadorov. But he is, and has been since he was waived, a full time NHLer.

I am also not going to argue that his camp was good, because it was average at best. The point is we are sending down one of our waiver exempt guys no matter what tomorrow (assuming Yegor is healthy). I'm fairly confident it will be Coronato. So if that is happening why did they waive Pelletier over 33 Joel Hanley when we just signed Barrie? What is the rational here? Odds are Honzek doesn't play more than 9 games so as soon as he's sent back down Pelletier slots in.

I really don't think Pelts needs more AHL time that much, his fundamentals were good at camp. It was his confidence that seemed to be hurting.

Valimaki at the age of 26 just signed a 2 year deal with a 2M AAV. Are you suggesting we should’ve let him ride the pine as a 7-8D the previous two years just to keep that calibre of defenseman?

Our team and Huska like keeping 8D and 13F, I don’t think it was ever in the cards to completely change how we handle our roster just so that Pelletier could be the backup benchwarmer. Plus you say it’s a confidence issue, how is he fixing that confidence issue not even being the primary healthy scratch?

I still think Pelletier can turn it around (even if some AHL time is necessary which isn’t guaranteed currently), but sometimes you just don’t have the room. Having 2 better wing prospects who are both younger and currently better waiting for their shot doesn’t give our organization much space to work with.

 

[Czechboy]

Is this good news for klapka fans?

 

[Yepthatsme]

Is this good news for klapka fans?

As of now, it’s looking much more likely than not he’s in the opening lineup at the 4RW spot. Calgary still has to send down one of Klapka, Coronato, or Honzek to hit the roster limit (unless Sharangovich is more injured than we know), and the smart money say’s that Coronato is the one sent down.

 

[madmike77]

Pelletier looked great early but he’s made of glass. Just don’t see him panning out at this point.

 

[Backlund]

Pelletier looked great early but he’s made of glass. Just don’t see him panning out at this point.

He's just smaller and needs to add strength. He hasn't been injured nearly enough for you to be saying he's made out of glass.

 

[madmike77]

People are

He's just smaller and needs to add strength. He hasn't been injured nearly enough for you to be saying he's made out of glass.

Pelletier is 23. He’ll be 24 before the season is over. He’s had time to work on his game. It hasn’t worked out. At some point you have to cut bait.

I really don’t see any team stashing him as a 13th forward. He’s not NHL-ready. If he can develop in the AHL then great, but he’s had chances and hasn’t delivered. I don’t get all the angst about waiving him.

He got outplayed in the preseason by multiple forwards including a bunch who were years younger than he is. I see him as a failed pick, but maybe he’ll find his game eventually.

 

[Double Dion]

No one is claiming Pelletier. He was the 20th to 25th best forward at Flames camp and we have a bottom half forward group. When Dryden Hunt dramatically outplayed him it was pretty clear to me no one will take him.

Cooley is the risk. If I needed a goalie he's right at the top of my list.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Valimaki at the age of 26 just signed a 2 year deal with a 2M AAV. Are you suggesting we should’ve let him ride the pine as a 7-8D the previous two years just to keep that calibre of defenseman?

Our team and Huska like keeping 8D and 13F, I don’t think it was ever in the cards to completely change how we handle our roster just so that Pelletier could be the backup benchwarmer. Plus you say it’s a confidence issue, how is he fixing that confidence issue not even being the primary healthy scratch?

I still think Pelletier can turn it around (even if some AHL time is necessary which isn’t guaranteed currently), but sometimes you just don’t have the room. Having 2 better wing prospects who are both younger and currently better waiting for their shot doesn’t give our organization much space to work with.

What? The decision to waive Valimaki was in favor of keeping Connor Mackie as the 6th defenseman. Kylington wasn't at camp and Stone was still on a PTO.

Also I fully agree that Honzek won a spot over him but I don't agree on Coronato. Matt played well in the first couple games when other teams were also running weaker rosters but he became strictly less noticable as camp tightened up. Pelletier ultimately lost his spot to Klapka, not Coronato. Coronato will more than likely be sent down tomorrow morning unless we are moving someone to SOIR.

 

[Eegs]

As a Habs fan, i'd take a flyer on Pelletier.

 

[Bradely]

Why does Montreal need a 5-9 project winger who is going to be 24 before the end of the year, is hurt all the time and can’t play a bottom of the line-up checking role?

If his name were Jakub Peletov would anybody even be making this association?

with that name probably more team might be interested......

 

[Laus723]

what's up with Schwindt? I thought he'd make the team by now.

 

[Yepthatsme]

What? The decision to waive Valimaki was in favor of keeping Connor Mackie as the 6th defenseman. Kylington wasn't at camp and Stone was still on a PTO.

Also I fully agree that Honzek won a spot over him but I don't agree on Coronato. Matt played well in the first couple games when other teams were also running weaker rosters but he became strictly less noticable as camp tightened up. Pelletier ultimately lost his spot to Klapka, not Coronato. Coronato will more than likely be sent down tomorrow morning unless we are moving someone to SOIR.

I remember that camp pretty viscerally and you have it fairly wrong. First Kylington had a full camp that year, he just started the season as a scratch. It was a 3 way fight for the last spot between Valimaki, Kylington, and Mackey; and Valimaki played BAD and was visibly the worst of the 3 despite management giving him the inside track for the role the entire time. Kylington was tried last and firmly stole the spot, and when Valimaki was in the 8 spot for defense on the roster they tried to sneak him to the AHL and got claimed.

It’s true Coronato faded down the stretch, but I still think he showed more than Pelletier and it’s definitely not arguable who had a better camp as a whole. Coronato is definitely getting sent down as well I think, but considering by my eye he’s more deserving of being next man up than Pelletier is hard to justify keeping Pelletier on the roster. I imagine when Honzeks trial is done they’ll recall Hunt/insert random plug to be the 13th forward, and if Pelletier clears he and Coronato duke it out in the A to be the next man up when a real chance arises.

 

[Some Other Flame]

what's up with Schwindt? I thought he'd make the team by now.

Career AHL'er

 

[DFF]

No chances he passes through right? This is Valimaki 2.0. Sure his camp wasn't the best but there's no world where this makes more sense than waiving Hanley

For 5 years, he showed up looking like shit at training camp. It’s not his first time. Remember people whining when Sutter cut him and Phillips.

Also Pelletier is not even the only 1st rounder in his draft that got cut….sometime team made mistakes in scouting.

 

[iam76]

Florida with a sneaky claim?

 

[DFF]

My fingers are crossed with regards to Pelletier and Cooley. Personally I think waiving them is a mistake but I also know I'm in the minority here.

What is so special about Cooley? He is 27 and had never dominated at any level.
Is it because Conroy said he was excited? Lol