CBS "NHL All Time Islanders"

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Preview



All time series record: The Sharks lead 15-14-3 with a 2.9 GFPGA While the Islanders are averaging 3.1 GFPGA. Islanders all time @ San Jose are 7-8-1 with a 2.9 GFPGA the Sharks are averaging 2.6 GFPGA at the NVMC

After being blanked for the first time this season, the New York Islanders voiced their concerns about struggling to score goals.

Preventing them may be their biggest problem at this point, though.

New York looks to avoid a third straight defeat Saturday night against a San Jose Sharks team that's playing a rare home game.

The Islanders (6-4-0) have dropped four of six, going 0 for 6 on the power play in Thursday's 5-0 loss to Colorado that began a five-game road trip.

Other than a seven-goal outburst in a victory over Dallas last Saturday, New York has totaled nine goals in its past five games. It couldn't break through against the Avalanche despite holding a 40-23 shot advantage, including 14-4 in the third period.

"In this league, every night, got to score two to three to win," coach Jack Capuano said. "If you don't, you're not going to win hockey games."

John Tavares hit the crossbar at the end of the first period, one of many chances the Islanders failed to convert.

"Got to find a way to get a little bit more gritty," Tavares said. "Find a way to get an ugly one, get a bounce to go your way. It's obviously a frustrating loss."

Offense has been a problem for the Islanders, but their breakdowns at the other end of the ice seem to be causing even bigger issues. New York has allowed at least three goals in nine of its 10 contests and at least four in four of its last five.

The 36 non-shootout goals it has given up rank among the most in the league. Jaroslav Halak, who signed a four-year, $18 million contract in the offseason, is 3-3-0 with a 3.50 goals-against average, while backup Chad Johnson has a 3.75 GAA in four starts after taking the loss Thursday.

Halak is likely to be in net for this contest. He made 20 saves as the Islanders registered a season-high 45 shots in a 4-3 shootout win over the Sharks on Oct. 16.

San Jose is 5-0-2 in its last seven meetings with New York, and it returns home after completing a 2-0-1 road trip with a 4-3 shootout loss to Minnesota on Thursday.

The Sharks (6-4-2) had lost four straight prior to the trip. They held a two-goal edge in the third period, but Antti Niemi couldn't hold the lead despite making a career high-tying 43 saves.

"We showed signs of fatigue a little bit," coach Todd McLellan said. "Then when the fatigue stepped in, we were not mentally clear on some of the decisions we made and we fed them."

San Jose plays 16 of its first 21 on the road, but has managed to hold its own so far despite the travel. After this contest, the Sharks get four days off before hosting Vancouver, then embark on seven-game trip through the Midwest and East Coast.

"We'll take the points any way we can get them," McLellan said.

Backup Alex Stalock made 42 saves in the first meeting with the Islanders, but Niemi could be back in net for this matchup. Niemi, who posted a 1.89 GAA while starting each game of the recent road swing, is 1-0-1 with a 3.25 GAA in his career against New York.




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http://www.nypost.com/sports/islanders/islanders.htm

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Just curious. Did Bossy ever play with other centres? I am sure he did. Just wondering how successful at scoring playing with a different line?
 
The only thing even remotely interesting about this article is that they took Nystrom over Gillies... Which is crazy.
 
The only thing even remotely interesting about this article is that they took Nystrom over Gillies... Which is crazy.

That is crazy. Both Gillies and Bourne would rank higher than Nystrom.

This was ultimately a faceoff between Nystrom and Clark Gillies (with Bob Bourne and Brent Sutter not far behind).

And the writer of the article thinks Brent Sutter was a wing. unless my aging mind is deceiving me, Brent Sutter was a center. Duane Sutter was a wing.
 
Just curious. Did Bossy ever play with other centres? I am sure he did. Just wondering how successful at scoring playing with a different line?
Brent Sutter played center with La Machine often when Trottier did not. Not much difference, he still got 50+ and 100+ points in a full year in 84-85. Early in his career he needed Trots(and Gillies, for a different reason) more.
 
I was very interested to read that Gillies had to protect Denis Potvin. He was one of the toughest guys in the league who did not fight.
 
I was very interested to read that Gillies had to protect Denis Potvin. He was one of the toughest guys in the league who did not fight.

That's nonsense. Most NHLers at the time knew Potvin's reputation as a mean player and didn't want to tangle with him. In his first year he took on Schultz and held his own; that stopped others from trying him.
 
I liked that they at least acknowledged Stefan Persson's existence in the omissions section.

Persson is always the most under-appreciated Islander on these types of lists. I could definitely put him above Morrow. No mention of Kenny Jonsson as well. Arguably both Jonsson and Persson are Morrow's equal, if not superior.

On wing - I would argue that Palffy should be ahead of Nystrom (and I LOVED Ny in the day) and right there with Gillies. He never had anyone to play with and still put up great numbers. And Tonelli is pretty high on the list. I would probably rank the wings:

Bossy
Gillies
Palffy
Tonelli
Nystrom
Bourne
King

Although Smith is the best goalie let's not forget he was sitting behind Resch for quite a long time and the 1975 playoff run was all Resch. And Kelly Hrudey had a pretty good run for us too.
 
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Denis Potvin didn't fight, but he sent more guys off the ice on stretchers than any other Isles' player, by far. He was a nasty hitter who created his own space.

I would probably put Tonelli #2 among Isles' all-time wingers.

I understand he had good stats, but IMO Derek King belongs nowhere on this kind of list.

It's hard not to include Langevin, Kenny Jonsson and Tomas Jonsson (the most underrated Isle of all-time IMO) on the defenseman HM list.
 
Ugh it's annoying to keep seeing people claim that Bossy was a better player than Trottier, because he wasn't. Bossy was a better goal-scorer and a more exciting player but wasn't better. It's like saying Kane is better than Toews. Just my humble opinion.
 
Ugh it's annoying to keep seeing people claim that Bossy was a better player than Trottier, because he wasn't. Bossy was a better goal-scorer and a more exciting player but wasn't better. It's like saying Kane is better than Toews. Just my humble opinion.
Better SCORER......Messier vs. Gretzky vs. Lemieux? Who was best? MESSIER!!! Why? Because the game happens behind the blue line and not on the stats sheet!

Bossy was the best sniper ever IMHO....But Trottier has every facet of the game and scored like a demon as well as made plays happen and got prime passes off and backchecked and forechecked amazingly well....but on one pure trait? Bossy was to shooting what Gretzky was to passing and in one facet....they were the greatest.

But not the best hockey players.

Trots better than Boss....Mess better than Lemieux.

So, I totally agree.

And Mess won a Cup without Gretzky. Trotts.....not a fair comparison due to injury shortening an AMAZING career but likely the same.
 
Ugh it's annoying to keep seeing people claim that Bossy was a better player than Trottier, because he wasn't. Bossy was a better goal-scorer and a more exciting player but wasn't better. It's like saying Kane is better than Toews. Just my humble opinion.

Fine that it's your opinion that Trottier is better. But silly to find that 'annoying'. Personally, I find 61 goals in 72 playoff games compelling.

When has anyone scored 17 goals in 3 consecutive playoffs? Yeah, not. I've re-watched many of those games. Trottier was great, but Bossy's performances are immortal, superhuman.
 
Fine that it's your opinion that Trottier is better. But silly to find that 'annoying'. Personally, I find 61 goals in 72 playoff games compelling.

When has anyone scored 17 goals in 3 consecutive playoffs? Yeah, not. I've re-watched many of those games. Trottier was great, but Bossy's performances are immortal, superhuman.

Love it!
 
Ugh it's annoying to keep seeing people claim that Bossy was a better player than Trottier, because he wasn't. Bossy was a better goal-scorer and a more exciting player but wasn't better. It's like saying Kane is better than Toews. Just my humble opinion.

I find it funny too when people think Bossy is better than Trottier. One of the best coaches of all time(Al Arbour) clearly didn't think so.
 
Better SCORER......Messier vs. Gretzky vs. Lemieux? Who was best? MESSIER!!! Why? Because the game happens behind the blue line and not on the stats sheet!

But don't forget that games are ultimately determined by who has more goals (the game happens in the other two zones too)

Was Messier a more complete player behind the blue line? Yeah.

Were Gretzky/Lemieux far more complete on offense? Yeah.

Two-way does not equal most dominant.
 
But don't forget that games are ultimately determined by who has more goals (the game happens in the other two zones too)

Was Messier a more complete player behind the blue line? Yeah.

Were Gretzky/Lemieux far more complete on offense? Yeah.

Two-way does not equal most dominant.

I think using Lemieux and Gretzky as examples is a pretty poor comparison for Bossy. Because Gretzky and Lemieux both excelled in just about every offensive facet of the game, while Bossy excelled mainly just at scoring. Obviously a lot has to do with their positions as well. Centers get lumped in as an offensively position-when in reality a center has a lot of responsibility in the defensive zone and are practically a 3rd defensemen as well.

-Bossy was a better goal-scorer than Trottier. BUT Trottier was better at just about every other aspect of the game.

-Yes scoring is important, but as I said earlier all one has to do is watch the Blackhawk play and while on paper Kane appears to be the superior player, when you watch them consistently Toews is just better. I really think it's a fair comparison in today's NHL.

Fine that it's your opinion that Trottier is better. But silly to find that 'annoying'. Personally, I find 61 goals in 72 playoff games compelling.

When has anyone scored 17 goals in 3 consecutive playoffs? Yeah, not. I've re-watched many of those games. Trottier was great, but Bossy's performances are immortal, superhuman.

"Annoying" was probably the wrong word to use-I agree with you there...what I meant was I don't understand why. lol
 
I think using Lemieux and Gretzky as examples is a pretty poor comparison for Bossy. Because Gretzky and Lemieux both excelled in just about every offensive facet of the game, while Bossy excelled mainly just at scoring. Obviously a lot has to do with their positions as well. Centers get lumped in as an offensively position-when in reality a center has a lot of responsibility in the defensive zone and are practically a 3rd defensemen as well.

-Bossy was a better goal-scorer than Trottier. BUT Trottier was better at just about every other aspect of the game.

-Yes scoring is important, but as I said earlier all one has to do is watch the Blackhawk play and while on paper Kane appears to be the superior player, when you watch them consistently Toews is just better. I really think it's a fair comparison in today's NHL.



"Annoying" was probably the wrong word to use-I agree with you there...what I meant was I don't understand why. lol

Kane is a completely different player than Bossy though. Also, he didn't play on Toews line, Hossa did.
 

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