Proposal: CBJ - TOR (Laine - Marner) "Hockey Trade"

[HC7]

Laine and Marner both have reduced value at the moment and are unlikely to return to their current teams. Both teams stay young, change the core, and get back pieces that can make them better immediately as well as moving forward. Columbus upgrades on forward, Toronto upgrades on D. Is the upgrade from Marner to Laine similar to that between Jiricek and Liljegren?

Columbus gets a reliable 100 point Selke caliber winger, and a 25 year old top 4 RHD with strong underlying numbers.
Toronto adds size and scoring up front, and gets a blue chip RHD prospect that can play immediately.

To CBJ: Marner, Liljegren

To TOR: Laine, Jiricek

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[Legion34]

Laine and Marner both have reduced value at the moment and are unlikely to return to their current teams. Both teams stay young, change the core, and get back pieces that can make them better immediately as well as moving forward. Columbus upgrades on forward, Toronto upgrades on D. Is the upgrade from Marner to Laine similar to that between Jiricek and Liljegren?

Columbus gets a reliable 100 point Selke caliber winger, and a 25 year old top 4 RHD with strong underlying numbers.
Toronto adds size and scoring up front, and gets a blue chip RHD prospect that can play immediately.

To CBJ: Marner, Liljegren

To TOR: Laine, Jiricek

I would say CBJ adds. I’m just not sure how negative of value laine has.

I really don’t see him doing well in Toronto. Plus who makes plays for him?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

The difference between the title and the proposal will skew votes.

 

[HC7]

The difference between the title and the proposal will skew votes.

I think people can change votes if they read the post.

 

[hurdemz]

Laine is the complete opposite of what toronto needs. Jiricek could be interesting, but I don't see how this would work for either team

 

[I am Canadian]

Liljegren is not a top 4 defender. He wasnt even a top 6 for the playoffs.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I think people can change votes if they read the post.

Yeah, but Columbus already adds a nice piece. The thread title doesn't acknowledge that.

 

[VT]

Marner is perfect for a team whose goal is PO and nothing more.
We need other type of players, especially tough d-man with great play in the front of the net, defense and not a soft guy.

 

[HC7]

I would say CBJ adds. I’m just not sure how negative of value laine has.

I really don’t see him doing well in Toronto. Plus who makes plays for him?

Obvious hypothetical but if I were the Leafs I'd trade Jarnkrok back to Dubas for Puljujarvi.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Domi
Laine - Nylander - Puljujarvi
Knies - Tavares - McMann

Main reason for Toronto is to upgrade their D with Jiricek. I think there's a risk/reward element with Laine, and Puljuarvi that presents the most upside if you do end up trading Marner.

 

[bleedblue94]

Laine and Marner both have reduced value at the moment and are unlikely to return to their current teams. Both teams stay young, change the core, and get back pieces that can make them better immediately as well as moving forward. Columbus upgrades on forward, Toronto upgrades on D. Is the upgrade from Marner to Laine similar to that between Jiricek and Liljegren?

Columbus gets a reliable 100 point Selke caliber winger, and a 25 year old top 4 RHD with strong underlying numbers.
Toronto adds size and scoring up front, and gets a blue chip RHD prospect that can play immediately.

To CBJ: Marner, Liljegren

To TOR: Laine, Jiricek

Simple question, does Columbus trade multiple years of control on jiricek straight up for one year of marner? I don't think they do, so this whole proposal falls apart.

And columbus already has a worse version of marner with another small pass first winger in gaudreau

 

[periferal]

Marner is perfect for a team whose goal is PO and nothing more.

Do you reckon there are a lot of NHL teams with this goal?

 

[Viqsi]

Laine+ for Marner is a fair approach with a number of possible angles. Jiricek, however, is an immediate "ends all conversation" nonstarter. We cannot afford to lose him, period, full stop.

 

[JKG33]

I'd take this deal and run for Toronto. Mind you I see Laine as negative value but I love Jiricek for Marner. Liljegren is inconsequential.

Really though, and I said it in the Laine thread, that a 1 for 1 between those two is horrible for both teams. Columbus doesn't need another overpaid, ultrasoft playmaking winger when they already have Gaudreau. And Toronto doesn't need anymore overpaid mental midgets

 

[VT]

Do you reckon there are a lot of NHL teams with this goal?

I don't know how many there are, but I do know that if a GM is thinking about winning in SC, he's not going to take a player like Marner with his salary.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I sincerely doubt Jiricek is moved. He’s an important piece for the future and would set us back. Yes I know we could draft a defenseman with 4OA this year, but it seems like Lindstrom is the guy we’re eyeing.

 

[Budz]

If we trade for Laine - I’m done.

 

[majormajor]

No way Columbus includes David frikkin Jiricek.

They'll be better off just letting Laine go for nothing and just ignoring any Leafs trade talk.

I don't see these teams being good trade partners.

 

[CanadienShark]

Care to kick Columbus in the teeth as well?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Laine+ for Marner is a fair approach with a number of possible angles. Jiricek, however, is an immediate "ends all conversation" nonstarter. We cannot afford to lose him, period, full stop.

Maybe for CBJ... Laine is of no interest to Toronto. Why go from one diva to a worse diva?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Marner would never waive to go to Columbus.

Then again, who's to say. The resounding chorus of local fans and media ready to send him packing just seems to be getting louder by the day. You'd think that might wear on a guy like Mitch.

 

[tmlmatus]

Laine is the last thing the leafs need.

 

[habsterr]

Columbus says no, no way a rebuilding team gives up Jiricek. Marner for Laine+ is a good base, but the difference isn't Jiricek.

 

[VT]

Laine is the last thing the leafs need.

Similar like Marner for Columbus.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Laine is the last thing the leafs need.

Wasn't the consensus recently that they were incapable of scoring?

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Columbus says no, no way a rebuilding team gives up Jiricek. Marner for Laine+ is a good base, but the difference isn't Jiricek.

I would consider Sillinger as the + if it meant Marner comes with an extension. Provorov (50% retained) and a pick/prospect could also work depending on how Toronto would want to fill out their roster. Don’t see the value for Columbus to acquire Marner as a rental, though.