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Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

cbjthrowaway said:
well, I'm comparing them as prospects rather than comparing a 18-year-old elick to a 26-year-old peeke.

as a prospect, peeke was seen as more of a two-way puck mover who had some athletic tools. elick's tools are very one-way (mobility + physicality + reach).

in the NHL, peeke developed (out of necessity) into a defense-only guy, but his strengths defensively are different than elick. peeke is more of a netfront/down low defender. elick looks like a potentially elite rush defender, but the other parts of his game (particularly offensively) are not inspiring.



again, comparing elick to a young gudbranson rather than present day. particularly in the "lights dudes up in open ice" stuff. he loves to step up and make huge hits.

I'm sure they'll try to work on improving his puck game, but I don't think it's ever going to be a true NHL level asset. that was how things were with gudbranson, too. part of me wonders if they're going to instead focus on getting him to be an elite shutdown guy rather than rounding out his game. his ability to defend the rush at a high level makes him a good eraser next to someone like mateychuk or even werenski.

if you put the 2024 draft version of charlie elick into the draft 15 years ago he wouldn't profile much differently than erik gudbranson or griffin reinhart. his skating is at a higher level than those guys were, and he has the size/mean streak that teams overvalued back then.
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Gudbranson was seen as a skilled big man who could skate and a future leader. Elick could turn out to be a player and I hope he does because I love open ice hitters but that one skill is gaining him more hype than he should at this point. If he didn't make open ice hits he would be talked about less than Marrelli
 
stevo61 said:
Gudbranson was seen as a skilled big man who could skate and a future leader. Elick could turn out to be a player and I hope he does because I love open ice hitters but that one skill is gaining him more hype than he should at this point. If he didn't make open ice hits he would be talked about less than Marrelli
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fwiw I do think marrelli is a better prospect at this point.
 
Is LDBB still a prospect? He had a goal and assist today for the Monsters.

I know he's not a prospect but Rocco had five assists in two games this weekend!
 
Doggy said:
Gonna add to my post above, Ivanov shut out CSKA today stopping 35 shots and picking up an assist in a 2-0 win.

That lowers his GAA to 2.39 and raises his Save Percentage to .932 over his last seven games. Kid is hitting another hot streak. Hoping he rolls this way through the end of the season (late March). Fourteen games left in their season. Too bad his contract doesn't end with the final game of the season or he could have come over and joined Jet in Cleveland for a playoff run.
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Ivanov continues his hot streak stopping 28 of 29 shots in a 4-1 win against CSKA. That lowers his GAA to 2.21 and raises his Save Percentage to .935 over his last eight starts.

For the season his GAA drops to 3.02 and his Save Percentage rises to .910.
 
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Following the Sochi vs Dynamo Moscow online. Ivanov started the game stopping 12 of 12 shots but the boxscore shows a change of goalies at the 17:28 mark of the first period. No idea what happened.

As a side note: Sochi forward Daniil Seroukh is having perhaps the game of his life. The 27 year old...
2023-2024: 4 goals in 42 games
2024-2025: 14 goals in 47 games
Today: 5 goals
 
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Doggy said:
Following the Sochi vs Dynamo Moscow online. Ivanov started the game stopping 12 of 12 shots but the boxscore shows a change of goalies at the 17:28 mark of the first period. No idea what happened.

As a side note: Sochi forward Daniil Seroukh is having perhaps the game of his life. The 27 year old...
2023-2024: 4 goals in 42 games
2024-2025: 14 goals in 47 games
Today: 5 goals
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Report was Ivanov got injured today and had to leave the game. Don't know details.
 
Cowumbus said:

… hail hail to Michigan
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I am getting the impression Whitelaw is stagnating (certainly based on his offensive numbers as they are nearly identical to last year). At 5'9" 175 Lbs and .5 PPG in college I am not sure there is much to get excited about. Someone convince me otherwise. I have never seen him play but he's not passing the non-eye test.
 
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koteka said:
His numbers look rather similar to last year. A few more goals. Same number of assists. Plus/minus is way worse. Shouldn’t he have taken a bigger step up as a 20 year old in his second year in the league?
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It's double the goals and an 18% increase in points in a pro league where young players rarely score that much. You can have a look at Liiga scoring - only 3 U21 players with more points than Keskinen.
 
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You can have a look at Liiga scoring - only 3 U21 players with more points than Keskinen.
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Is that because the best young Finns are in the NHL, AHL, or CHL? Playing in Liiga seems like the 5th or 6th choice for a promising player. You have the KHL and SHL as better options if you want to stay closer to home.

Maybe an actual Finn could comment on Liiga and whether the good young Finns want to play there or elsewhere.

But I quickly looked at Finnish forwards drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds in the last 3 years:

Konsta Helenius - AHL
Emil Hemming - OHL
Julius Miettinen - WHL
Kasper Halttunen - OHL
Rasmus Kampulainan - Liiga
Lenni Hameenaho - Liiga (#1 on your list, 50% more points than Keskinen)
Joakim Kemell - AHL
Brad Lambert - AHL (he is half Canadian so he is a weird case)
Jani Nyman - AHL
Topi Ronni - Slovakia (can a Finn explain this?)
 
koteka said:
Is that because the best young Finns are in the NHL, AHL, or CHL? Playing in Liiga seems like the 5th or 6th choice for a promising player. You have the KHL and SHL as better options if you want to stay closer to home.

Maybe an actual Finn could comment on Liiga and whether the good young Finns want to play there or elsewhere.

But I quickly looked at Finnish forwards drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds in the last 3 years:

Konsta Helenius - AHL
Emil Hemming - OHL
Julius Miettinen - WHL
Kasper Halttunen - OHL
Rasmus Kampulainan - Liiga
Lenni Hameenaho - Liiga (#1 on your list, 50% more points than Keskinen)
Joakim Kemell - AHL
Brad Lambert - AHL (he is half Canadian so he is a weird case)
Jani Nyman - AHL
Topi Ronni - Slovakia (can a Finn explain this?)
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I'm sure some of those players would have scored more in the Liiga - they were all drafted way ahead of Keskinen for a reason - but it's nonetheless considered a hard league for young players, which is perhaps why many of them didn't stay there. Lambert quit after being unable to succeed in Liiiga.

Some leagues don't have a lot of talent and are nonetheless considered brutal for young players. The Czech league is the most extreme example.
 
majormajor said:
I'm sure some of those players would have scored more in the Liiga - they were all drafted way ahead of Keskinen for a reason - but it's nonetheless considered a hard league for young players, which is perhaps why many of them didn't stay there. Lambert quit after being unable to succeed in Liiiga.

Some leagues don't have a lot of talent and are nonetheless considered brutal for young players. The Czech league is the most extreme example.
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I thought Lambert was playing in Liiga pre draft, not after he was drafted.

Anyway, both things can be true - it can be a hard league for young people and young people with better opportunities to go elsewhere do choose to go elsewhere. Therefore it just makes it harder to determine how Keskinen’s play in Liiga will follow through to the NHL. I hope the guy is more successful for the Jackets than someone like Bemstrom. Hell, I hope he is more successful for the Jackets than anyone in team history. I just don’t expect that.
 
koteka said:
I thought Lambert was playing in Liiga pre draft, not after he was drafted.

Anyway, both things can be true - it can be a hard league for young people and young people with better opportunities to go elsewhere do choose to go elsewhere. Therefore it just makes it harder to determine how Keskinen’s play in Liiga will follow through to the NHL. I hope the guy is more successful for the Jackets than someone like Bemstrom. Hell, I hope he is more successful for the Jackets than anyone in team history. I just don’t expect that.
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Even if more of the top talents were there, their scoring totals wouldn't tell you that much about how they'd translate to the NHL. It's a very different style of hockey.
 
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