I actually like the 20-80 scale a lot, but Pronman doesn't use it properly. Every prospect is a 50, 55, or 60 at everything, or a 45 at worst. That's not how it works. You can't get useful information that way.
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its just sweden-finland mini camp this year because of covid and theres no other cbj prospect going. considering knazko was already on u20 for slovakia last year he must be a lock I think. both teams aren't top tier anyway it's very much so not the final roster for those two nation. really just an opportunity for us to see Pyyhtia play better player than in fin junior
sweden roster Här är Juniorkronornas trupp till JVM-genrepet - Hockeysverige
finland roster Nuoret Leijonat kohti MM-kisoja – nämä pelaajat Liigasta marraskuun leiriryhmässä
still some first rounder like Holmstrom, Raymond, Holtz to play against and Lundell and Heinola to play with
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You seem to have it out for this kid...or out for Jarmo for selecting Russians who decide to do their development in the KHL (if you don't you have a funny way of regurgitating this same complaint over and over). He's not ready yet and I wouldn't want the CBJ to rush him. When he gets here for the 2022-2023 season he should be ready to contribute even while learning the NHL game.
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I caught a bit of that SKA vs Omsk game, Omsk really was flat in the third period, game was very close and then SKA scored like 4 straight goals. They kind of just gave up at the end. Marchenko nor Chinakhov weren't super noticeable to me on the score sheet but when they did have the puck you can tell they have way more skill than the average player on the ice. Both know how to protect the puck very well, Marchenko especially and noticed Chinakhov had some dangles, went around a few guys in seemingly no space. Chinakhov also wasn't shy to crash the net, started one of the few scrums that way.
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It's odd to me how people have used the past to dictate the future, regardless of the fact that each case is different. For example - we draft an 18yo who is heading to college and nobody says a word. Draft a 19yo who has a new 3 year deal in Russia and people panic. The expectation is sort of the same, no? They come out at age 22 and start their ELC. Projecting onto this kid the failures of "every" Russian we've drafted is nonsense. Projecting onto this kid the "problem" of staying in Russia to play 3 years instead of coming here to play in Cleveland or going to college is nonsense. The kid is an individual case and deserves that opportunity to do so. We complain that our system doesn't do a good enough job developing our players and then complain when the players want to stay somewhere they speak the language, understand the customs, get to play against high level (dare say higher level) talent, and get to play a fair number of minutes. I know so much of what these kids could turn into is "projecting" but we need to stop "projecting" our fears and focus on what we see.
To echo Gagnefan924- the game was extremely tight and seemed to open up in the 2nd period before Omsk laid an egg in the third. The feed I stream from wasn't terribly clear but I noticed Chinakhov showing the desire to get to the front of the net, crashing and in an effort to deflect shots in. Both players looked good for being young men in a sport of men. Skills definitely there, work rate seemed to be there, and they didn't look out of place.
To echo Gagnefan924- the game was extremely tight and seemed to open up in the 2nd period before Omsk laid an egg in the third. The feed I stream from wasn't terribly clear but I noticed Chinakhov showing the desire to get to the front of the net, crashing and in an effort to deflect shots in. Both players looked good for being young men in a sport of men. Skills definitely there, work rate seemed to be there, and they didn't look out of place.
The kid is good, obviously.
Using a 2nd round pick on a guy who you then can't even get on North American ice for four years is...not ideal.
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Its premature because I am sure the list grows this coming season. But through two NHL seasons exactly two players from Marchenko's class drafted in the second round have seen time in the NHL (Martin Ferhevary has played a whopping 6 games for Washington and David Gustafson has played 22 games for Winterpeg). So hard to say we have missed out on anything...yet.
I would also argue that this is the beauty of a GM who feels secure in his job. He can play the long game with his draft picks. He drafted the kid he thought had the most upside at his draft spot. Not worried about him making some impact short-term but a kid who has the chance to make a big impact down the road. Would you rather draft a F who is a 15 G scorer but you get him in the NHL in two seasons or a guy who will be a 25 G scorer but you have to wait four seasons? As a fan looking at the long term I will take the latter.
I don't know if Marchenko will be the top second rounder in his class, certainly there are a couple of other kids drafted after him looking very good too but Marchenko was considered a first round talent who slipped because of the Russian factor.
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Organizations also don’t always win over college players. Mike Reilly, Adam Fox, Kevin Hayes, etc.
Have you looked at what a second round typically produces within four years? Here's the 2016 draft.
There's two players with multiple productive years, about half a dozen players coming off their first full season, and maybe a dozen more that will play their first seasons this year or next. Most won't ever be worth anything.
We're most likely losing little or nothing by having Marchenko develop in St. Petersburg, and if he turns into an NHL scorer of any repute he'll already be more valuable than your average second round pick.
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Marchenko with another goal today
Bit of a dirty goal on a broken play, but being in a position to score the goal was good and the finish was quality.
Bit of a dirty goal on a broken play, but being in a position to score the goal was good and the finish was quality.
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If Marchenko keeps progressing the way he's been doing lately, there is a chance he will make the Olympic roster even with NHLers playing.
Interesting thought, probably has a long way to go to make that a possibility. Would be nice to see NHLers again instead of something that was basically a glorified Spenglar Cup
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fun story, next week theres a mini Spengler cup(Karjala Cup) in Finland and since russia wasnt invited to sweden & finland u20 camp they are sending their u20 roster there and finland is pretty upset and said they wont let them play. Chinakov was supposed to be there. not sure if he'll play or not.
Zaar technically still a cbj guy is playing there if anyone care
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Viqsi
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Knazko being a fan of Werenski's style of play just makes me love him all the more.
Seems like a weird league, I was looking up Knazko and point leaders among D and the league leader is 21.
Its good on Pyythia to pick up some points though, you would expect NHL caliber prospects to dominate junior leagues and hes been moving up the top scorer charts
I like everything I see with Pyyhtia but the statline is so hard to gauge in that league. There are 19 year olds with not just a little but A LOT more points than Pyyhtia.
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