Confirmed Signing with Link: [CBJ] Jackets re-sign Ryan Murray [1 year/$2.825M]

[Maylo]

Fair signing, 24 yr old top 4 blueliner gradually getting better each season, wish Edmonton would've drafted him instead of Yakupov in 2012.
I hope Petra signs Nurse to a similar deal, and ignore Darnell's agent bringing up Hedman as a comparable. I would do Murray+ for Nurse any day of the week

Have you seen them paired together at Worlds this year? Worst decision ever made by whoever was in charge with that.

 

[Fro]

Murray for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks

I laughed...

 

[895]

Isn't calling him top 4 a bit generous? 5th in icetime on CBJ at 18 mins. 6th if you only count ES.

Advanced statistics suggests Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nutivaara are all ahead.

 

[cslebn]

He'll play with Nutivaara on the second pair in all likelihood this year and actually get to consistently play the left side (consistent position and partner has been an issue with his constantly babysitting).

He may start the year as the LD with Jones depending on Werenski's recovery.

This is a nice one year show me that leaves him an RFA at very affordable cost.

Oh and torts trusts this guy.

 

[PensandCaps]

Isn't calling him top 4 a bit generous? 5th in icetime on CBJ at 18 mins. 6th if you only count ES.

Advanced statistics suggests Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nutivaara are all ahead.

Just Becuase CBJ is stacked..doesn't mean Murray isn't a good top 4 guy.

Malkin is an elite #1 C but is a "2C"

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Isn't calling him top 4 a bit generous? 5th in icetime on CBJ at 18 mins. 6th if you only count ES.

Advanced statistics suggests Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nutivaara are all ahead.

Sure, based on useage he has probably been #5 on CBJ last couple seasons. But if he’s healthy, he can comfortably be pencilled in on the 2nd pair, and probably is 4th in the depth chart in Torts’ mind right now.

Most of 16-17, Johnson-Savard was the 2nd pair, and Murray-Nutivaara were the third pair. 17-18, that Johnson-Savard pair struggled and for a good stretch of the season Murray and Nutivaara were more leaned on as the 2nd pair.

He is likely a 3 or 4 on most teams in the league.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Isn't calling him top 4 a bit generous? 5th in icetime on CBJ at 18 mins. 6th if you only count ES.

Advanced statistics suggests Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nutivaara are all ahead.

Columbus has a stacked defense.

 

[Maylo]

Isn't calling him top 4 a bit generous? 5th in icetime on CBJ at 18 mins. 6th if you only count ES.

Advanced statistics suggests Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nutivaara are all ahead.

After he returned from injury this year in February he was 3rd in ice time from all D. In playoffs as well.

 

[thebus88]

Murray's with him vs without him isn't so pretty when you're looking at when he is on the ice versus on the bench.

What if MURRAY is put out most of the time against the other teams best players, and in the most vulnerable situation? So the players that are playing with Murray have their "numbers" affected by the OTHER TEAMS better players, not Murray.

Your "analytics" can NOT comprehend or explain to the concept of "usage". I'm not talking about zone starts.

 

[thebus88]

Murray could have been a great skater if he didn't have so many back and knee issues, but as is he is perhaps the worst skater on the Jackets D-core. I like Murray's vision and passing, but that's his only above average quality in my opinion. He's mostly average - a #4/#5.

Remember that this just tells you how good he is relative to the other Jackets defensemen. He's solidly behind Werenski, Jones, Nutivaara, and possibly Savard.

He's not Scott Neidermayer or Paul Coffey out there, but his skating is fine. He's a better skater than Savard and pretty comparable to Werenski and Kukan. He's not even the #4 on the CBJ right now. #3 at worst. He very well may have the best chance to start the year with Jones, pretty good for a #4-5, eh?

After he returned from injury this year in February he was 3rd in ice time from all D. In playoffs as well.

Oh look, REAL NUMBERS.

Just divide them a couple times, and VOILA, you have "advanced reality".

 

[major major]

What if MURRAY is put out most of the time against the other teams best players, and in the most vulnerable situation? So the players that are playing with Murray have their "numbers" affected by the OTHER TEAMS better players, not Murray.

Your "analytics" can NOT comprehend or explain to the concept of "usage". I'm not talking about zone starts.

Actually usage is a part of analytics, and not just zone starts. We have tools like quality of competition, and game state. If you think Murray is frequently out there for holding leads and that's dragging down his numbers, then you can just look at it when he's tied. Or you can subtract his minutes with Jones - which are defensive.

He's not Scott Neidermayer or Paul Coffey out there, but his skating is fine. He's a better skater than Savard and pretty comparable to Werenski and Kukan. He's not even the #4 on the CBJ right now. #3 at worst. He very well may have the best chance to start the year with Jones, pretty good for a #4-5, eh?




Oh look, REAL NUMBERS.

Just divide them a couple times, and VOILA, you have "advanced reality".

Those are real numbers, yes. Real numbers you just made up. By my eye, Murray isn't as comfortable skating as he used to be. He's definitely slower - not as slowed down as Olli Maatta, but slow. Kukan is fast. Werenski is an ungainly skater but deceptively quick. Put them in a race and I think you'd be surprised.

I'd put Murray with Jones, but mostly because it's easier to play next to Jones and it's a good opportunity for Murray. We already know he can't do what Nutivaara does and play on the right side.

 

[connormcmuffin]

I remember the days of peddling Kessel out of Toronto in proposals and CBJ fans ridiculing at proposing Kessel for Murry straight up as laughable. Young defensemen are often mystery box.

Have no issues with Murray or this deal, not trolling.

 

[Viqsi]

I remember the days of peddling Kessel out of Toronto in proposals and CBJ fans ridiculing at proposing Kessel for Murry straight up as laughable.

I'm willing to bet that was heavily influenced by the effect it'd have had on our salary cap at the time.

 

[connormcmuffin]

I'm willing to bet that was heavily influenced by the effect it'd have had on our salary cap at the time.

I can specifically remember you ridiculing Kessel for being a winger and Murray as an emerging young stud defenseman on the verge of a breakout.

 

[Viqsi]

I can specifically remember you ridiculing Kessel for being a winger and Murray as an emerging young stud defenseman on the verge of a breakout.

At the time, that was true. The problem is that he's stagnated.

(That and, when Kessel was still a Leaf, Werenski and Nutivaara weren't Jackets yet, so our LHD depth consisted of Murray, JJ, and hopes and dreams a fast-fading Tyutin.)

 

[MarryMarner]

Leafs should be all over this guy. Pair him with a guy like Rielly.

 

[ffh]

Leafs should be all over this guy. Pair him with a guy like Rielly.

all over what, he just signed a contract extension as a rfa.

 

[Viqsi]

Leafs should be all over this guy. Pair him with a guy like Rielly.

Rielly's also a LD, and Murray can't play RD very well at all.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

That's quite affordable. Is Ryan Murray in CBJ's long term plans?

A one year contract at his age would suggest no

I think that a one-year contract means they don't know but are willing to give him a chance to make himself part of their long-term plans, without yet committing to it.

 

[connormcmuffin]

At the time, that was true. The problem is that he's stagnated.

(That and, when Kessel was still a Leaf, Werenski and Nutivaara weren't Jackets yet, so our LHD depth consisted of Murray, JJ, and hopes and dreams a fast-fading Tyutin.)

All good, I was making the proposal for Murray at the time, shared a similar mindset at the time.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I'd love for the Jets to trade for Murray.

 

[major major]

I'd love for the Jets to trade for Murray.

What do you want for Roslovic? (And no this is not because Roslovic is from Columbus, I just think he's going to be a very good player).