CBJ Board realignment discussion II (Jackets officially to the Atlantic Division)

Robert

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Neither one of them has been as detrimental to the game as several of the "great builders" were.

Proper names for sport alignments never made any sense to me... many if not most fans don't even know who those people are/were...

New York City gave up street names many years ago, now everything is just a number….

Division/conference names based on geography or time zones is the way I would go...
 

Mayor Bee

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Proper names for sport alignments never made any sense to me... many if not most fans don't even know who those people are/were...

New York City gave up street names many years ago, now everything is just a number….

Division/conference names based on geography or time zones is the way I would go...

The other thing is that it wasn't really "traditional". It was first done in 1974-75 (after several years of East and West Divisions).

When that was done, Clarence Campbell got a conference named after him. He was still league president (imagine a Bettman Conference right now), and would be convicted two years of bribery related to corruption. There was the Prince of Wales conference, named after a trophy donated by the man who would eventually reign as King of England for less than one year (Edward VIII) before abdicating.
 

Robert

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The other thing is that it wasn't really "traditional". It was first done in 1974-75 (after several years of East and West Divisions).

When that was done, Clarence Campbell got a conference named after him. He was still league president (imagine a Bettman Conference right now), and would be convicted two years of bribery related to corruption. There was the Prince of Wales conference, named after a trophy donated by the man who would eventually reign as King of England for less than one year (Edward VIII) before abdicating.

Yeah.... love your posts btw Mayor.... How bout the name King George for the Atlantic division so we can all remember who sacked Philadelphia in 1777.... lol
 

Mayor Bee

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Here, I'll go slightly further with it. Mostly because I want to, partially because I have no idea of where or when to stop.

In 1974, the NHL renamed the divisions and conferences based on the following.

Clarence Campbell Conference - NHL president at the time; would later be convicted of bribery related to a corruption scandal. His career in hockey was tumultuous; he was involved in two separate major incidents while an official, and was only kept around because Frank Calder needed an office boy. He suspended Rocket Richard for the Hal Laycoe incident. And he was the league president for every one of those 21 post-WWII years when expansion was never even considered.

Prince of Wales Conference - Actually named after the trophy. This was donated in 1925 by the Prince of Wales, who later became King Edward VIII. He reigned as king for less than a year before abdicating. In the grand scheme of things, Edward is irrelevant in hockey history.

Conn Smythe Division - War hero, philanthropist, builder of the Rangers' early team and then of the Maple Leafs franchise (and MLG). Also sold to Harold Ballard, triggering the collapse of said franchise. Fought ferociously against anything that could be considered "progressive", from the NHLPA to expansion to a new Canadian flag. Was still alive when this division was named.

Lester Patrick Division - HOF player with the Rangers, patriarch of the legendary hockey family that saw three generations suit up in the NHL. No major controversies to report.

James Norris Division - Son and nephew of a businessman, and himself a businessman who had no life in hockey outside of his ownership. Orchestrated the deals that led to a consolidation of ownership within the league, causing the entire thing to be tagged as "Norris Hockey League". His sons (James D. Norris and Bruce Norris) were shady as hell, and are perfect examples of what I mean when I say the league was run by crooks and criminals for most of its history.

Charles Adams Division - Founded the Boston Bruins; was previously a businessman with no experience in hockey. Ruthless in the boardroom, and was actually banned from MLB ownership due to his involvement in horse racing.

So there you have it. That's four divisions and two conferences, only one of which (Patrick) was named after anyone who did anything in hockey before rising to prominence. Adams, Campbell, Smythe, Norris, and the Prince of Wales had absolutely no playing career to speak of. So the idea that the new divisions need to be named after great players simply wouldn't be in line with tradition.

Instead, we need to look for the following while modernizing.
- Family patriarch, HOF player himself
- Owner, preferably one who sold to a pathetic excuse for a human being
- Owner whose father and uncle built a family business
- Owner who's unethical, and persona non grata in other sports
- Uninvolved monarch, or else merely a trophy given by someone who never suited up
- Head of the NHL

Teams covered should be Chicago, Toronto, Boston, and NY (Rangers). With this in mind, I give you....
The Gary Bettman Conference. Bettman is the second-longest serving head of the NHL, behind only Clarence Campbell. Campbell already has a trophy named after him that predated the conference being named after him; why should he get both honors?

The Lady Byng Conference. Lady Byng never played hockey, but donated a trophy in 1925...just like the Prince of Wales.

The Bryan Hextall Division. Hextall was a HOF player with the Rangers who had two sons (Bryan Jr. and Dennis) and one grandson (Ron) have NHL careers of their own, with the possibility of a fourth generation (Brett) coming up. Bryan Hextall and both of his sons played for the Rangers, just as Lester Patrick and his sons were involved with that same team. And just like Patrick, Hextall isn't anywhere close to the best player in the HHOF.

The Jeremy Jacobs Division. Owner of the Bruins, and son and nephew of the men who built the family business.

The Harold Ballard Division. Continue honoring the Maple Leafs by promoting this jackass, the stories about whom are absolutely legendary.

The Bill Wirtz Division. We need to cover the Blackhawks and "unethical" all in one fell swoop, and who better?

If the new divisions and conferences were named using the same standards as last time around, this is exactly what we'd end up with. Does anyone really think this is a good idea?
 

Sore Loser

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What about letting the players decide on names? It worked out great in the XFL, where they were even allowed to put strange names on their jerseys...

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major major

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Ok, I get it, many of you don't like the proper names thing.

The point about corrupt names of the past is fascinating history and thanks for sharing that. To my mind it isn't really an argument in this case, because it can't be that hard to just pick someone who wasn't an a**hole. And my liking for proper names doesn't have anything to do with respecting league founders, BTW, I could care less for those people. Its just to my mind a name gets imbued with meaning by decades of bloody divisional playoff matchups. Thats the league history I call upon.

I will respect the fact, however, that many people find just as much meaning in the simple geographic name.
 

pete goegan

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I will respect the fact, however, that many people find just as much meaning in the simple geographic name.

Will you extend the same courtesy to those of us who don't give a flying rodent rectum what they're called? I don't mind those of you who do care, I just don't. When folks get too creative, we end up with such stupidities as the Big Howevermanytoday have. Leaders & Legends? Really?
 

Jaxs

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Here is my vote.

East- Atlantic
Northeast

West- Midwest
Pacific

That was easy.
 

Jaxs

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How can Florida teams be in the Northeast or Pittsburgh and Columbus be in either? :sarcasm::laugh:

It's not perfect. Similar to Cowboys in the NFC East. If the Atlantic is renamed the Central, it falls into what Major and Pete are talking about.
 

EspenK

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It's not perfect. Similar to Cowboys in the NFC East. If the Atlantic is renamed the Central, it falls into what Major and Pete are talking about.

I was being facetious just to pass some time on a Saturday morning. Put me into the I don't care category.
 

Samkow

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?
 

CBJWerenski8

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

Doesn't really matter to me. But i'd be a bit pissed.
 

Nanabijou

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

With the home-and-home games with every team in the league, the imbalance between West and East in terms of travel has been lessened. That was more important, in my opinion, than the move to the East. It wouldn't phase me much.
 

major major

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

Not very disappointed if they move us back to even out the conferences. But I'd feel jerked-around by the league, who, as usual, are not very transparent and honest about these things.
 

pete goegan

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I'd be royally pissed. The same arguments still exist for Columbus to be in the East instead of Detroit. Promises to them about getting first dibs would have come before a team further east had entered the league. That, the desire to continue the Chicago/Detroit rivalry, the advisability of retaining another of the OSix in the West, and the strength of the Wings draw should be enough to keep Columbus in the East. I doubt it will, so I expect to be unhappy about it.
 

blahblah

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How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

We'll be going to the East for two seasons, ask me again when the team gets purchased/moved and realignment discussions comes up again.
 

blahblah

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Make Quebec stay in the West. Dont want to go back.

Yeah, no chance of a team in Quebec staying in the West. I don't know what they are doing with Phx, but it sure would be nice if they arranged a sale with someone in the West instead of dumping another team into the East.

Sadly, I've always thought our time in the East will be short lived.
 

Skraut

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

My life has changed pretty dramatically in the past year. If I continue to follow hockey, it'll be a team from the Eastern Conference. Yeah, every team will play games on the West Coast, but getting up at 4:30 every morning, it's not worth my health to watch those games. The fewer the better. I've already given up my season tickets because I just don't have 4 hour drives in me anymore.

Besides, taking a team other that Columbus will mean I can actually see the games live on GameCenter Live. Now I just need a team assured to not make the playoffs, as of course those will be blocked.

Rereading this message, it sounds like I should be telling kids to get off my lawn, and maybe so. I guess I'm just frustrated to have paid the money directly to the league, and then I still have to jump through hoops to see games in the regular season, and am completely locked out of the post season. I don't want cable, I don't need 500 channels of reality shows, infomercials, and talking heads. But because I don't do that, I can't see the playoffs.

I guess what it feels like is paying money, going to a theater and watching a movie, only to have the projectionist stop the film with 20 minutes left, and saying that if I want to see how the movie ends, I have to go to another theater. The league is happy to take my money, but doesn't think I should see the climax of the season.

If I can't see how it ends, why should I care about the regular season?
 

Robert

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So, with the same guy who broke the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg move saying that a Quebec based group is negotiating to buy the Coyotes, I'd figure I'd ask this.

How disappointed would/will you be if the Jackets don't move East?

Very...

If QC does get the PHX franchise I see no NHL alternative except for one, expansion. The league is not going stay unbalanced for long, it's not really fair having 16 teams in one conference and 14 in the other.. Unequal playoff probability is a bona fide issue.

If the NHL expands (two teams) both teams would be in the West leaving the Jackets in the East, that's our only hope if PHX actually moves to QC.
 

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