Caufield vs Kakko

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kakko is really going to make a lot of people on here look really dumb in the coming years.

This comparison of a good player (Caufield) getting their reputation inflated due to their playoff performance is reminiscent of Chris Kreider after his debut in the 2012 playoffs. He stepped in and looked great and scored a bunch of goals so people expected him to become a star right away. He eventually became a really good player but never really hit the highs that were expected after he came into the playoffs and blew people away.

This type of comparison is kind of like if you asked people after the 2012 playoffs if they would want Chris Kreider or Mark Schiefle. Both first round picks, but one (CK) had exploded on to the scene in the playoffs while the other had a pedestrian first few seasons (MS). It's quite clear that MS far and away became the better player and while Kreider is still a really good player - it's no comparison. Both Caufield and Kakko can end up being good, but just because you think Caufield is going to be really good doesn't mean that he's going to be better than Kakko.

 

[ole ole]

You realize that production would equal 49 points over an 82 game season. Sure it's impressive for a young kid but in no world at all is that worth being an "offensive juggernaut".

You do know that the PPG average for most players drop drastically during the playoffs?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

You do know that the PPG average for most players drop drastically during the playoffs?

Ok and? My only point here was that it's not like Caufield has dominated offensively yet.

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

You do know that the PPG average for most players drop drastically during the playoffs?

U imagine kakko in the playoffs then, yikes

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

What *is* Kakko's upside supposed to be? Realistically speaking, what is/was he projected to become when he hits his prime? Hossa-like? Rantanen-like? Teravainen-like? Landeskog-like?

 

[Machinehead]

What *is* Kakko's upside supposed to be? Realistically speaking, what is/was he projected to become when he hits his prime? Hossa-like? Rantanen-like? Teravainen-like? Landeskog-like?

Hossa and Stone are the ceiling comparisons I see most often although I don't think I agree with Stone.


Late Rick Nash is who he always reminded me of. Not 40 goals young Nash, but two-way power forward 65 point Nash.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Hossa and Stone are the ceiling comparisons I see most often although I don't think I agree with Stone.


Late Rick Nash is who he always reminded me of. Not 40 goals young Nash, but two-way power forward 65 point Nash.

Does he have Hossa-shot/scoring touch? Thought one of the knocks on him is he doesn't seem to have much of a shot.

 

[BB06]

What *is* Kakko's upside supposed to be? Realistically speaking, what is/was he projected to become when he hits his prime? Hossa-like? Rantanen-like? Teravainen-like? Landeskog-like?

Valeri Nichushkin

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Valeri Nichushkin

His upside is a player with a career high of 34 points?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

What *is* Kakko's upside supposed to be? Realistically speaking, what is/was he projected to become when he hits his prime? Hossa-like? Rantanen-like? Teravainen-like? Landeskog-like?

Hossa ceiling

 

[Machinehead]

Does he have Hossa-shot/scoring touch? Thought one of the knocks on him is he doesn't seem to have much of a shot.

Probably not. Then again, neither did Nash. Nash scored his goals by getting in great positions. He shot about 56 MPH.

 

[BB06]

His upside is a player with a career high of 34 points?

Yes. Watching Kakko in the NHL they have the same offence game where they can be strong on the puck but have zero finishing and scoring ability. I'm taking about the Avs version.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yes. Watching Kakko in the NHL they have the same offence game where they can be strong on the puck but have zero finishing and scoring ability. I'm taking about the Avs version.

And you still compared him to a 26 year old who has a career high of 34 points. I think it's very likely Kakko beats that this season, so I would say thats a pretty terrible comparison. Kakko isn't even that strong on the puck. Seems more like you are projecting what you would think if you combine the lack of points so far with Kakko's pre-draft profile. It's not a good comparison. Should we compare Hughes to Ryan Spooner or Dach to Nicholas Roy?

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Caufield AINEC.

 

[ole ole]

U imagine kakko in the playoffs then, yikes

He'd end up like Kotkaniemi ..benched.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He'd end up like Kotkaniemi ..benched.

Kakko hasn’t been scratched once in his career.

 

[Regal]

You do know that the PPG average for most players drop drastically during the playoffs?

Drastically is extreme. At best 49 points in the playoffs might be 55-60 in the regular season.

 

[GreeningOil]

Kakko
-Habs fan

Kakko Krappo

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Drastically is extreme. At best 49 points in the playoffs might be 55-60 in the regular season.

It would actually be an interesting exercise to see exactly how much the typical drop in production from regular season to playoffs happens to be for top six players.

Probably near impossible to get an accurate calculation due to sample sizes for 90% of players skewing results either negative or positively.

 

[Regal]

It would actually be an interesting exercise to see exactly how much the typical drop in production from regular season to playoffs happens to be for top six players.

Probably near impossible to get an accurate calculation due to sample sizes for 90% of players skewing results either negative or positively.

I think HockeyOutsider did a chart in the history forum, though it would be for elite players rather than just top 6 and the majority of players with a large sample size end up similarly ranked compared to their regular seasons with just slight decreases in production.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think HockeyOutsider did a chart in the history forum, though it would be for elite players rather than just top 6 and the majority of players with a large sample size end up similarly ranked compared to their regular seasons with just slight decreases in production.

I meant more in terms of what that drop actually works out to. For instance, a typical 100 point regular season performer should be expected to produce at what "pace" in the playoffs? Point per game? A typical 70 point player in the regular season should be producing, what, 55 point pace in the playoffs? That sort of thing.

 

[Regal]

I meant more in terms of what that drop actually works out to. For instance, a typical 100 point regular season performer should be expected to produce at what "pace" in the playoffs? Point per game? A typical 70 point player in the regular season should be producing, what, 55 point pace in the playoffs? That sort of thing.

I think that was included in terms of the average drop, including taking out outliers. I can't remember what it ended up being, but i think it was between 5-10%

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think that was included in terms of the average drop, including taking out outliers. I can't remember what it ended up being, but i think it was between 5-10%

Even 10% seems a bit small considering a lot of guys who're typically above point per game in regular season aren't only 8-10 points under point per game in the playoffs.

But I guess that's for a different thread.

 

[MoneyManny]

How does one compare Caufield's playoff stats to Kakko regular season stats? Caufield played against playoff teams with Vezina trophy winner MAF, Vasilevski and Hellebuyck in net and a majority of these games against 2 serious cup contenders and he looked pretty good for his very first NHL experience.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Probably not. Then again, neither did Nash. Nash scored his goals by getting in great positions. He shot about 56 MPH.

I shoot 74 there’s no way he shot 56 lmao