Confirmed with Link: Casey Mittelstadt (2017, 8th) - Signed, #37

[Weltschmerz]

Lias Andersson didn't make the list?

 

[Zip15]

Am I remembering correctly that he wasn't real high on him before the World Juniors.

Pronman had him 13th in his 2017 Draft rankings. Six weeks later, after the NJEC in Lake Placid, he had moved Mittelstadt to the 10th overall prospect in all of hockey - and the fourth highest rated prospect from the 2017 Draft, behind only Vilardi, Patrick, and Hischier. That tells me that (a) he didn't watch Mittelstadt much leading into his draft, or (b) he is easily swayed by performances in small sample sizes such as the NJEC, or some combination of both.

 

[joshjull]

Pronman had him 13th in his 2017 Draft rankings. Six weeks later, after the NJEC in Lake Placid, he had moved Mittelstadt to the 10th overall prospect in all of hockey - and the fourth highest rated prospect from the 2017 Draft, behind only Vilardi, Patrick, and Hischier. That tells me that (a) he didn't watch Mittelstadt much leading into his draft, or (b) he is easily swayed by performances in small sample sizes such as the NJEC, or some combination of both.

Thanks for the response.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Pronman rankings

1. Mittelstadt
2. Tolvanen
3. Heiskanen
4. Necas
5. Borgstrom
6. Thomas
7. Kaprizov
8. Vilardi
9. Strome
10. Pettersson
11. Chytil
12. Makar
13. Liljegren
14. Glass
15. Kapanen
16. Fox
17. Suzuki
18. Tippett
19. Kyrou
20. Yamamoto
21. Vesalainen
22. Merkley
23. Steel
24. Nylander
25. Brannstrom
26. Terry
27. Brown
28. Kylington
29. Kostin
30. Gusev
31. Frost
32. Heponiemi
33. Juolevi
34. Abramov
35. Batherson
36. Jokiharju
37. Clague
38. Poehling
39. Valimaki
40. Mitchell
41. Kunun
42. Sikura
43. Myers
44. Aho
45. Kuokkanen
46. Timmins
47. Texier
48. Scherbak
49. Bracco
50. Harper

Juolevi seems low.

 

[bigmackattack]

Juolevi seems low.

Kapanen at 15 hottest take

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I don’t think he puts too much thought or effort into keeping up with these guys on a consistent basis. I feel like this is a list based on things he hears, based on his gut assessment after watching them play here and there.

 

[stokes84]

No. 1 prospect. Ya don't say...

 

[stokes84]

I don’t think he puts too much thought or effort into keeping up with these guys on a consistent basis. I feel like this is a list based on things he hears, based on his gut assessment after watching them play here and there.

BS. Players constantly move due to short sample sizes on big stages. A player can have a good stretch and fly up draft boards. But after a draft happens, people drone on and on about sample size as if it wasn't in play before. When they all get on the same ice together, it's by far the best time to evaluate them. It's the only time everything is equal.

If the 2017 draft happened tomorrow rather than in June, Mittlestadt would've been right there with the very top prospects. It's our gain.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

BS. Players constantly move due to short sample sizes on big stages. A player can have a good stretch and fly up draft boards. But after a draft happens, people drone on and on about sample size as if it wasn't in play before. When they all get on the same ice together, it's by far the best time to evaluate them. It's the only time everything is equal.

If the 2017 draft happened tomorrow rather than in June, Mittlestadt would've been right there with the very top prospects. It's our gain.

This was not the point of my comment. I was talking about Pronman. But I guess you're free to use it to continue to push your dumb agendas.

 

[1972]

BS. Players constantly move due to short sample sizes on big stages. A player can have a good stretch and fly up draft boards. But after a draft happens, people drone on and on about sample size as if it wasn't in play before. When they all get on the same ice together, it's by far the best time to evaluate them. It's the only time everything is equal.

If the 2017 draft happened tomorrow rather than in June, Mittlestadt would've been right there with the very top prospects. It's our gain.

People focus to much on draft position, development isn’t linear. Mittelstadt would very well be picked higher then 8th if the draft was today. But a year from now who knows, it’s like the stock market.

 

[Ace]

Top prospect Eh?

Now like all top prospects he will of course sit in college for 3 more years, cost himself millions of dollars, curtail his development and bolt in free agency

Do I have that right?

 

[Jim Carr's Rug]

Top prospect Eh?

Now like all top prospects he will of course sit in college for 3 more years, cost himself millions of dollars, curtail his development and bolt in free agency

Do I have that right?

And what top prospect did that?

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

And what top prospect did that?

You missed the sarcasm mate.

 

[truthbluth]

And what top prospect did that?

That is, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, the point of his post.

 

[Jim Bob]

Ranking the top 50 NHL prospects

Just curious, but where was Nylander last year compared to 24th this year?

 

[OkimLom]

Ranking the top 50 NHL prospects

Just curious, but where was Nylander last year compared to 24th this year?

I couldn't find that article outside of a paywall, but it was funny to find Pronman's thoughts on Mittelstadt in his draft year and now that he has him @ #1 for NHL Prospects

12.Casey Mittelstadt, C, Eden Praire (HS MN) DOB: 11/22/98 | Ht: 6' 0.75" | Wt: 201 2016-17 stats: 25 GP | 21 G | 43 A Mittelstadt has been a highly touted player for a few years, and he was a top player in the USHL this past season for Green Bay and also had a successful stint back with his high school team. Mittelstadt is a dynamic playmaker who can generate scoring chances in bunches. He can dangle in open ice with the best of them, playing with pace, and can make a highlight happen at any given moment. Mittelstadt sees the ice very well, often executing on high-difficulty feeds and being a primary starting point of offense. His skating isn't as dynamic as his hands, but he skates well and has a separation gear in his feet. Off the puck, he isn't as great. Despite a strong frame, he loses more battles than he should. His defense has a ways to go, but it could be worse, as he can make the odd defensive play. He is committed to the University of Minnesota for next season. Ranking explanation: In January, I was starting to have concerns about Mittelstadt, as the industry seemed to be circling in on him being a top-5 to top-7 lock. I texted an NHL scout my issues, and he responded, "Don't overthink it." So naturally, I've been thinking a lot about him. The issues are plain. He's one of the older first-year eligible players who hasn't shown a consistently dominant level at a significant quality of competition. Even his high school showing, while very good, did not look at the level one would imagine of a top-10 pick. At the IIHF under-18 championship last spring, for example, he was the third-best player on a line with Logan Brown and Kailer Yamamoto. He led the USHL in points per game this season, but that was accentuated by an unsustainable 21 percent shooting percentage. If we assumed a more reasonable 15 percent shooting rate, suddenly his point production is equivalent to fellow top draft prospect Eeli Tolvanen in the USHL; the latter was better at even strength, and generated a much better shot ratio. At the World Junior Championship camps this past summer, he looked way behind the pace, ending up being one of the early cuts, while fellow first-year draft eligible Kailer Yamamoto stuck around. He was dominant at the Ivan Hlinka tournament two years ago, but given how far back that is, it causes some hesitation on my part. I've watched him. I get it. As discussed in his profile, the tools are legit. He has NHL skill. There's a reason why despite all the caveats he's still ranked 12th. But I think there's too much risk in his profile to justify his being a top-5 pick when there are players with near or equivalent skill without the performance red flags.

 

[Jim Carr's Rug]

That is, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, the point of his post.

Whatever. Nobody, expect one joking post by Jame, is claiming that CM or any other top prospects are staying in college extra years so they can go to UFA.
The discussion around Vesey/Cal Peterson/etc & NCAA rules is a different, valid discussion. Ace trying to jam that "sarcastic" take into this discussion is the square peg.
So I guess I'm still missing the point of the post. It seems like trolling for the sake of trolling.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Pronman rankings

1. Mittelstadt
2. Tolvanen
3. Heiskanen
4. Necas
5. Borgstrom
6. Thomas
7. Kaprizov
8. Vilardi
9. Strome
10. Pettersson
11. Chytil
12. Makar
13. Liljegren
14. Glass
15. Kapanen
16. Fox
17. Suzuki
18. Tippett
19. Kyrou
20. Yamamoto
21. Vesalainen
22. Merkley
23. Steel
24. Nylander
25. Brannstrom
26. Terry
27. Brown
28. Kylington
29. Kostin
30. Gusev
31. Frost
32. Heponiemi
33. Juolevi
34. Abramov
35. Batherson
36. Jokiharju
37. Clague
38. Poehling
39. Valimaki
40. Mitchell
41. Kunun
42. Sikura
43. Myers
44. Aho
45. Kuokkanen
46. Timmins
47. Texier
48. Scherbak
49. Bracco
50. Harper

I'd trade Nylander for 10 players ranked below him. And probably more because there's some players I've never watched/noticed.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

No Kieffer Bellows in his top 50. He sure looked like a top 30 prospect at the WJC.

 

[Chainshot]

No Kieffer Bellows in his top 50. He sure looked like a top 30 prospect at the WJC.

Nor Lias Andersson.

 

[WpgBuffan]

Ranking the top 50 NHL prospects

Just curious, but where was Nylander last year compared to 24th this year?

I think Nylander was #6.

 

[WpgBuffan]

He's gonna cause an uproar in Vancouver lol. I wouldn't mind him staying another year at Minnesota, that second year of development before stepping into the NHL has seemed to really help alot of guys lately.

I would like to see Him follow the Kyle Connor model. Play in the AHL for the full year and then come up the following year. I know Winnipeg had Connor up for a bit to start the year but that was a mistake.

 

[Chainshot]

So no points yesterday.

 

[joshjull]

I would like to see Him follow the Kyle Connor model. Play in the AHL for the full year and then come up the following year. I know Winnipeg had Connor up for a bit to start the year but that was a mistake.

I like the idea of him starting in the AHL as well. Unless he is lights out in camp and even then I might lean towards a start in the AHL. Doubt I'll stick to my guns though if he comes in and is amazing in preseason.

 

[1972]

I just watched Patrick Kane world junior highlights....Mittelstadt looked almost identical to him right down to the mouth guard chewing.