Value of: Carter Hart

[Rich Nixon]

Prefacing with: The Philadelphia hockey team (mostly Fletcher) doesn't have the guts to trade him. But given their dire roster/cap situation and the likelihood that they have an equally talented young starter in Sam Ersson, they probably should entertain it.

There are a number of decent teams out there seeking good goaltending. Hart is 24 and has one more year signed at $3.979m. He still has one more RFA summer in 2024 after the current deal expires (should be an interesting summer for goalie prices).

He is about as good as advertised, a technically sound goalie capable of stealing multiple games per season. Occasionally has a total dud, but much less frequently than he pitches a gem. The only thing keeping the dismal Flyers out of the bottom 5 this season has been Carter Hart.

So, the pros: He's really good, he's really young, he's likely not done developing, and he has 2+ more years of team control.

The cons: He's probably due a big raise in 2024, his team deflates his stats, occasionally has a real bad game.

Interested to see what folks think his current value is in a trade.

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[SnS]

Goalies don’t have high value. So it would probably be a late first and a B level prospect.

Which wouldn’t be worth it.

 

[KingTech]

Goalies dont u get 1sts especially in deep drafts like this one So my offer is 2nd and durzi

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Wonder what Laughton, Hart, and a 2nd could bring

 

[dman3474]

what do the flyers need? Picks, prospects, players?

 

[JRichard]

Wonder what Laughton, Hart, and a 2nd could bring

2nd seems random as Philly doesnt have one next 2 drafts.

 

[SnS]

2nd seems random as Philly doesnt have one next 2 drafts.

Because Fletcher enjoys giving them away like candy.

 

[Tanknation]

2nd pick and B+ prospect max. Goalies rarely get you a 1st. Especially not when the draft is this deep.

 

[Rich Nixon]

what do the flyers need? Picks, prospects, players?

anything that isn't a RW

 

[JRichard]

2nd pick and B+ prospect max. Goalies rarely get you a 1st. Especially not when the draft is this deep.

In 2021, Colorado got 31 yrs old goalie Kuemper for 1st, 3rd and roster player.
Hart gets more.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Goalies dont u get 1sts especially in deep drafts like this one So my offer is 2nd and durzi

Kuemper got a 1st for one year. Maybe it is not that goalie don‘t bring back 1st but rather that nobody want to trade their top goaltender. Classic correlation vs Causality stuff

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

In 2021, Colorado got 31 yrs old goalie Kuemper for 1st, 3rd and roster player.
Hart gets more.

In 2022 Vanecek and a 2nd returned an earlier 2nd and a 3rd, Georgiev returned 2 3rds and a 5th, Husso returned a 3rd, and Talbot returned a goalie prospect.

Colorado was desperate for a starting goalie when they traded for Kuemper, and there wasn't much available when they traded for him. He also had multiple seasons over a .925 save % on some mediocre Coyotes teams including a season he played 55 games and had a .925 save %.

I like Hart, but his up and down level of play may be closer to a Vanecek return than a Kuemper one.

 

[Rich Nixon]

In 2022 Vanecek and a 2nd returned an earlier 2nd and a 3rd, Georgiev returned 2 3rds and a 5th, Husso returned a 3rd, and Talbot returned a goalie prospect.

Colorado was desperate for a starting goalie when they traded for Kuemper, and there wasn't much available when they traded for him. He also had multiple seasons over a .925 save % on some mediocre Coyotes teams including a season he played 55 games and had a .925 save %.

I like Hart, but his up and down level of play may be closer to a Vanecek return than a Kuemper one.

I think the variability in goalie values has a lot to do with expectations and reputation. Like, Vanecek was traded at age 26 with less than 80 career appearances and no substantial pedigree/reputation following him from draft.

Hart is a bit unlike most other goalies that get traded, in that there's tons of potential still there and he's long been regarded as an elite goalie of the future. Maybe one of the most-hyped goalies since Price. His NHL career has been stretches of dominance punctuated with some bad slumps, the whole thing played in a bad/unstable franchise. He's in his 5th NHL season playing for his 4th coach, after all.

Basically: How much of that hype/potential remains, how much scrutiny does his game deserve outside of the context of his bad team, etc. I think there are enough positives there that make him a different beast in trade than someone viewed as a journeyman starter or potential platoon guy: You're rolling the dice on a young player who may end up a top 5 goalie in the league if your team can give him semi-competent defense and some goal support.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

what do the flyers need? Picks, prospects, players?

A GM

 

[Hanover Fist]

A GM

They also need an entire new front office.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think the variability in goalie values has a lot to do with expectations and reputation. Like, Vanecek was traded at age 26 with less than 80 career appearances and no substantial pedigree/reputation following him from draft.

Hart is a bit unlike most other goalies that get traded, in that there's tons of potential still there and he's long been regarded as an elite goalie of the future. Maybe one of the most-hyped goalies since Price. His NHL career has been stretches of dominance punctuated with some bad slumps, the whole thing played in a bad/unstable franchise. He's in his 5th NHL season playing for his 4th coach, after all.

Basically: How much of that hype/potential remains, how much scrutiny does his game deserve outside of the context of his bad team, etc. I think there are enough positives there that make him a different beast in trade than someone viewed as a journeyman starter or potential platoon guy: You're rolling the dice on a young player who may end up a top 5 goalie in the league if your team can give him semi-competent defense and some goal support.

The market for goaltending is also very much variable every year. Some years, you have a team like Avs and Oilers who needed kuemper. Other years, you can't find anyone to pay cause they feel comfortable with their goaltending. Other positions, like top 4 RHD is like a need every year cause even a team with a stacked defense wouldn't mind a top 4 guy playing bottom pairing.

 

[GKJ]

The reason why goaltenders don’t have as high of a value is because the only ones who would be available don’t have a place where they are, inherently suppressing the value they do have. If you’re a top-half goaltender in the league, or even top-20, as Hart is, this does not apply to you, especially at age 24, so pay up

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The market for goaltending is also very much variable every year. Some years, you have a team like Avs and Oilers who needed kuemper. Other years, you can't find anyone to pay cause they feel comfortable with their goaltending. Other positions, like top 4 RHD is like a need every year cause even a team with a stacked defense wouldn't mind a top 4 guy playing bottom pairing.

Bruins should call Edmonton and see if they can bend them over for Swayman. Swayman only makes about $900K on an expiring RFA contract. Edmonton is capable of making it to the finals with Swayman as the goalie. Lot better than Campbell or
Skinner.

So Edmonton is #1 and #2 pick seems fair. I would bend them over for Kostin.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Carter Hart has a .910 sv% which is kinda in the lower area among starting goalies this season.

Hart is still only 24 years old in his 5th NHL season.

The offense has a lot to do with where the Flyers are at right now, if there were a better offensive game playing in front of hart perhaps his numbers would return to where his 2018-19 and 2019-20 stats were.

The Flyers are 26th in goals for and are dead last on the power play. Hart just hasn’t gotten any goal support this season.

Torts does have the Flyers playing better defensively but the goals are not there on most nights even if Hart stands on his head to keep the puck out of the net.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Hart+Provorov for Campbell+Barrie+Bourgault+1st+1st

 

[mrinsane]

HuGo should be very agressive if hes on the market.

 

[Flyer lurker]

what do the flyers need? Picks, prospects, players?

yes


edit (no players over 30 back until its part if flyers need to take a deal back to make it work)

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I wouldn’t be so quick to trade Carter Hart.

Sam Ersson has only started in 7 NHL games 6-0, Hart was charged with loss in Ersson’s debut against Carolina when the Canes put 5 goals against Sam.

In 6 or Ersson’s wins, three of those games were 2 wins against Anaheim and 1 win against San Jose, not exactly world beating teams.

The other 3 teams Ersson has wins against Los Angeles, Buffalo and Calgary.

I wanna see how Ersson handles some adversity before even contemplating trading Carter Hart.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I wouldn’t be so quick to trade Carter Hart.

Sam Ersson has only started in 7 NHL games 6-0, Hart was charged with loss in Ersson’s debut against Carolina when the Canes put 5 goals against Sam.

In 6 or Ersson’s wins, three of those games were 2 wins against Anaheim and 1 win against San Jose, not exactly world beating teams.

The other 3 teams Ersson has wins against Los Angeles, Buffalo and Calgary.

I wanna see how Ersson handles some adversity before even contemplating trading Carter Hart.

I don't care if Ersson turns into a sack of potatoes tomorrow, I still trade Hart if the return is preferrable to Hart signed longterm at $6.5m+ while the team still sucks.

 

[Kurrilino]

what do the flyers need? Picks, prospects, players?

C'mon... you know better.

Now we have to listen to 2 1st's + Byfield + Clarke for Hart + conditional 7th