Value of: Carrier to EDM

[Bjornar Moxnes]

If RHD were in any sort of abundance, I'd agree with you, but we've watched several recent deadlines come and go and those guys (RHD rentals) get moved for more than they should or we think they should.

If you disagree. Name me 4-5 other RHDs that will be available for 3rd round pick and low level prospect. I think you'll find other fan bases with those guys you name will instantly pounce on you for being off the mark on value.

I don't think Fabbro is much of a player either. But was Chiarot (LHD)? no. Was Savard? No. The Avs got Kadri for Berrie. Tanev got a 2nd, a 3rd and a pretty good prospect from Calgary's GM that sucks at trading. Rasmus Sandin got a 1st. Ekholm netted two 1sts. Manson netted two 2nds. Lindholm netted a bunch (1st and 2nd + prospect).

I think the GMs are overpaying too... but they keep doing it. There is a supply vs demand thing here that must be the problem.

So while we probably see eye to eye on what value should be... We don't see eye to eye on what value ends up being in most cases. There would be others trying to trade for Fabbro as well and that will also drive up the price to more than you and I think it should be.

All the players you mentioned are either better than Fabbro or cost controlled and not at risk of UFA (Sandin).

 

[ManofSteel55]

Lol Bowman I would have to be fired trading savoie for either of those players.

Savoie is a good prospect, but he's not a blue chipper. He absolutely needs to be available if we are targetting a 2RD. Maybe we could aim higher than Carrier, but he's certainly a player that would help the team. Bowman should be fired if he sits on our prospects when he could fix our blueline.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Savoie is a good prospect, but he's not a blue chipper. He absolutely needs to be available if we are targetting a 2RD. Maybe we could aim higher than Carrier, but he's certainly a player that would help the team. Bowman should be fired if he sits on our prospects when he could fix our blueline.

Fabbro would be a better 2RD for you than Carrier would. And much much cheaper to acquire (and cheaper on the Cap). I frankly doubt Carrier would even be available at all, tbh, given the weird fixation Nashville management seems to have with him. Just take Fabbro and count your lucky stars. We told you Ekholm was good. So is Fabbro. Believe it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Fabbro would be a better 2RD for you than Carrier would. And much much cheaper to acquire (and cheaper on the Cap). I frankly doubt Carrier would even be available at all, tbh, given the weird fixation Nashville management seems to have with him. Just take Fabbro and count your lucky stars. We told you Ekholm was good. So is Fabbro. Believe it.

Fabbro is my top target for sure. I suspect he would be far cheaper to aquire, and I've started threads discussing that option. I think I made one the day after the Broberg and Holloway offer sheets were signed, offering up one of the St. Louis picks for him, ha ha.

 

[TFHockey]

Fabbro would be a better 2RD for you than Carrier would. And much much cheaper to acquire (and cheaper on the Cap). I frankly doubt Carrier would even be available at all, tbh, given the weird fixation Nashville management seems to have with him. Just take Fabbro and count your lucky stars. We told you Ekholm was good. So is Fabbro. Believe it.

What is the likely cost of Fabbro?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

What is the likely cost of Fabbro?

Almost free?

If you need retention, that's the basis of any cost?

 

[Armourboy]

Fabbro would be a better 2RD for you than Carrier would. And much much cheaper to acquire (and cheaper on the Cap). I frankly doubt Carrier would even be available at all, tbh, given the weird fixation Nashville management seems to have with him. Just take Fabbro and count your lucky stars. We told you Ekholm was good. So is Fabbro. Believe it.

Yep if I was any team looking for a Dman that's exactly who I would be after. Fabbro is a weird case, he's not your typical guy that is a 7th man, he's a 7th man because we've had bad coaches for the last several years, not because he's actually a bench warmer.

Whoever gets him will find themselves scratching their heads wondering why in the heck he was sitting on the bench. He's not going to set the world on fire, he's just a good steady Dman.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Yep if I was any team looking for a Dman that's exactly who I would be after. Fabbro is a weird case, he's not your typical guy that is a 7th man, he's a 7th man because we've had bad coaches for the last several years, not because he's actually a bench warmer.

Whoever gets him will find themselves scratching their heads wondering why in the heck he was sitting on the bench. He's not going to set the world on fire, he's just a good steady Dman.

This exactly. He's basically right on par for the guy he was drafted as. Which was a high pick. Just for some reason a string of Preds coaches haven't liked him? He skates well, has a good mix of traits in terms of managing gaps and defending and keying transition. But his main wart from the Preds' perspective (apparently?) is that he isn't rambunctious/physical?

I don't know, to me I actually like it that Fabbro isn't like that. Lauzon is a tire fire in terms of running all over the ice like a chicken with his head cut off, but even Carrier does a lot of wacky things and falls and collapses on his goalie and makes bad decisions. Fabbro on the other hand is safer, smarter, and the only real blemish to him is that he has spent 3 years walking on eggshells while the Preds coaching staff has been applying a double standard to benching him for any minor miscues that everybody else gets a free pass on?

 

[LTIR]

I think he carrier lotta value

 

[ManofSteel55]

What is the likely cost of Fabbro?

I expect they will want a 2nd, but that seems steep to me given they aren't playing him much. I'd open the offerings with Dermott and a 3rd rounder for Fabbro at 50%.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I expect they will want a 2nd, but that seems steep to me given they aren't playing him much. I'd open the offerings with Dermott and a 3rd rounder for Fabbro at 50%.

I think the Preds would just let Fabbro walk as a UFA before taking that, tbh.

 

[TFHockey]

Almost free?

If you need retention, that's the basis of any cost?

50% If the Oilers can get it, probably send back someone like Dermott +

Oilers should, but probably won't, flip Henrique for Sissons.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

50% If the Oilers can get it, probably send back someone like Dermott +

Oilers should, but probably won't, flip Henrique for Sissons.

I would watch Sissons a bit. I mean, he has been a great unheralded warrior for the Preds for several seasons, but something is off so far this one. I don't see the Preds having any interest whatsoever in Henrique though if they do make a move with Sissons. That's a non-starter.

The Preds won't take Dermott, period, they have filler D already. If retention is on the table it will cost... at least pushing the pick value to the 2nd rounder level, but frankly I don't know if you will need retention if you make the trade later in the year? Just take Fabbro straight up for some esoteric Euro prospect or some guy in Bakersfield who might help Milwaukee win a Championship who still isn't really a significant NHL prospect? The Preds have no use for filler guys or picks below the 2nd round.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would watch Sissons a bit. I mean, he has been a great unheralded warrior for the Preds for several seasons, but something is off so far this one. I don't see the Preds having any interest whatsoever in Henrique though if they do make a move with Sissons. That's a non-starter.

The Preds won't take Dermott, period, they have filler D already. If retention is on the table it will cost... at least pushing the pick value to the 2nd rounder level, but frankly I don't know if you will need retention if you make the trade later in the year? Just take Fabbro straight up for some esoteric Euro prospect or some guy in Bakersfield who might help Milwaukee win a Championship who still isn't really a significant NHL prospect? The Preds have no use for filler guys or picks below the 2nd round.

I was basing the 3rd round pick on the "almost free" comment you made earlier. If the cost to just make the deal is "almost free", I thought retention for the remainder of the year would be worth the 3rd. I think we're splitting hairs a bit though, we aren't actually signing the paperwork, so I'm fine knowing that a 2nd would probably do it, if Trotz is considering any trades at all.

I'm fine with dumping Dermott to the AHL if you guys don't want him as well.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I was basing the 3rd round pick on the "almost free" comment you made earlier. If the cost to just make the deal is "almost free", I thought retention for the remainder of the year would be worth the 3rd. I think we're splitting hairs a bit though, we aren't actually signing the paperwork, so I'm fine knowing that a 2nd would probably do it, if Trotz is considering any trades at all.

I'm fine with dumping Dermott to the AHL if you guys don't want him as well.

Yeah, I think Fabbro for a 3rd should work. Fabbro+retention would need a 2nd, and then it would depend on any other irons in the fire, since Fabbro is small potatoes to anything else the Preds might contemplate doing with the retention slots.

You can go ahead and waive Dermott yourselves.

 

[TFHockey]

I would watch Sissons a bit. I mean, he has been a great unheralded warrior for the Preds for several seasons, but something is off so far this one. I don't see the Preds having any interest whatsoever in Henrique though if they do make a move with Sissons. That's a non-starter.

The Preds won't take Dermott, period, they have filler D already. If retention is on the table it will cost... at least pushing the pick value to the 2nd rounder level, but frankly I don't know if you will need retention if you make the trade later in the year? Just take Fabbro straight up for some esoteric Euro prospect or some guy in Bakersfield who might help Milwaukee win a Championship who still isn't really a significant NHL prospect? The Preds have no use for filler guys or picks below the 2nd round.

The Oilers cap situation requires some kind of salary goes back the other way. Kane will come back before the end of the season, faster than anticipated. This will cause a cap crunch. This isn't Vegas after all.

You're right, the Oilers can waive Dermott.

As for Sissons, he has to be able to improve the Oilers dead last PK.

 

[Soundgarden]

The Oilers cap situation requires some kind of salary goes back the other way. Kane will come back before the end of the season, faster than anticipated. This will cause a cap crunch. This isn't Vegas after all.

You're right, the Oilers can waive Dermott.

As for Sissons, he has to be able to improve the Oilers dead last PK.

Well out pk is 2nd so Sissons or McCarron would help a lot.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Fabbro would be a better 2RD for you than Carrier would. And much much cheaper to acquire (and cheaper on the Cap). I frankly doubt Carrier would even be available at all, tbh, given the weird fixation Nashville management seems to have with him. Just take Fabbro and count your lucky stars. We told you Ekholm was good. So is Fabbro. Believe it.

Fabbro to Ottawa is still the dream.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Savoie is a good prospect, but he's not a blue chipper. He absolutely needs to be available if we are targetting a 2RD. Maybe we could aim higher than Carrier, but he's certainly a player that would help the team. Bowman should be fired if he sits on our prospects when he could fix our blueline.

He absolutely is a blue chipper and you're suggesting trading him for two players who aren't anything special.

 

[HairyKneel]

lol Alberta's bigger Prince George has no assets to trade for decent D man. Holland painted that club into a corner.

 

[TFHockey]

lol Alberta's bigger Prince George has no assets to trade for decent D man. Holland painted that club into a corner.

They have picks and some prospects. No one is asking for Makar. Just looking for 2nd and 3rd pairing guys that are upgrades on what Edmonton has.

 

[GOilers88]

I expect they will want a 2nd, but that seems steep to me given they aren't playing him much. I'd open the offerings with Dermott and a 3rd rounder for Fabbro at 50%.

If the Oilers could snag Fabbro for a 2nd or a 2nd + then they should jump at it let alone with retention.

 

[LMFAO]

The pipe dream is obviously Andersson but it ain't happening. Realistically I think the Oilers are getting either Fabbro or David Savard at 50%. I also think Bowman will surprise us with something completely unexpected.

 

[LMFAO]

I think the Preds would just let Fabbro walk as a UFA before taking that, tbh.

You would rather let your healthy scratch defenseman than taking a 3rd rounder for him? Thats an interesting take