Friedman: Carolina is “active, ready to pounce”

[Empoleon8771]

I think the issue the Canes have with being "ready to pounce" is that they are completely resistant to overpaying for a guy and are focused more than anything on "winning the deal". Sometimes it ends up working like it did with Guentzel last year, where the market wasn't great and the Penguins were fine with their package of 2-3 good prospects rather than 1 great prospect, but generally teams will take the 1 great prospect over the 2-3 good prospects.

They're very stingy with their top prospects, and that usually gets outbid by someone more desperate who is willing to spend their top prospects.

 

[HabsMD97]

what happens every year will happen once again, smartest guy in the room syndrome.

 

[StreetHawk]

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The Canes were a runner up for Eichel, Tkachuk, Meier and Karlsson. They took a run at Pettersson. Do the stars finally align on a big move?

That is a lot of players to end up missing out on. Most of these guys had a roster player or two go the other way. Maybe they are just gun shy to pull the trigger.

They did land guentzal last season.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think the issue the Canes have with being "ready to pounce" is that they are completely resistant to overpaying for a guy and are focused more than anything on "winning the deal". Sometimes it ends up working like it did with Guentzel last year, where the market wasn't great and the Penguins were fine with their package of 2-3 good prospects rather than 1 great prospect, but generally teams will take the 1 great prospect over the 2-3 good prospects.

They're very stingy with their top prospects, and that usually gets outbid by someone more desperate who is willing to spend their top prospects.

Who’s given up their top prospects lately? We gave top prospects for Jake. Nikishin is the only one bigger.

That is a lot of players to end up missing out on. Most of these guys had a roster player or two go the other way. Maybe they are just gun shy to pull the trigger.

They did land guentzal last season.

The Canes offered Necas+ for Tkachuk.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I don’t think Carolina could compete with a Huberdeau package, given Calgary’s misread of its competitive situation. New Jersey didn’t offer up anything special for Meier and got him. Vancouver didn’t trade Pettersson.

Eichel is the one that got away, in that sense. Even then, we don’t know if Jarvis/Necas is anymore attractive, if at all, than Tuch with a ton of term left on his 2nd contract.

There’s a timing aspect of the right player becoming available and the team having the right tradeable assets.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I think the issue the Canes have with being "ready to pounce" is that they are completely resistant to overpaying for a guy and are focused more than anything on "winning the deal". Sometimes it ends up working like it did with Guentzel last year, where the market wasn't great and the Penguins were fine with their package of 2-3 good prospects rather than 1 great prospect, but generally teams will take the 1 great prospect over the 2-3 good prospects.

They're very stingy with their top prospects, and that usually gets outbid by someone more desperate who is willing to spend their top prospects.

That's a very flattering description. Wonder what rival GMs think about Carolina. Do they roll their eyes when Carolina calls knowing they're about to be lowballed again but they have to listen since it's their job?

 

[Svechhammer]

I think the issue the Canes have with being "ready to pounce" is that they are completely resistant to overpaying for a guy and are focused more than anything on "winning the deal". Sometimes it ends up working like it did with Guentzel last year, where the market wasn't great and the Penguins were fine with their package of 2-3 good prospects rather than 1 great prospect, but generally teams will take the 1 great prospect over the 2-3 good prospects.

They're very stingy with their top prospects, and that usually gets outbid by someone more desperate who is willing to spend their top prospects.

How much of that was Waddell vs the Canes in general?

We really don't know what Tulsky would do in a trade. Even when it came to Guentzel, it was during that GM transition where we lost him, so who knows if Tulsky would have kept him. We assume that things are operating the same, but we really just don't know.

 

[PlayMakers]

Granlund for Kotkaniemi

 

[David71]

you can have elias petterson

 

[FissionFire]

Except if those Jets are from New York

Aaron Glenn is gonna turn them around just wait.

 

[RangerBoy]

His view on the salaries of coaches and management has not translated to the on-ice payroll.

- Carolina is a cap team consistently.
- Dundon has really leveraged bonuses recently. Per PuckPedia, $15.33 mil paid for 24-25 for this past Summer’s signees and re-signees (excludes anything previously committed). Slavin’s extension was Toronto-esque. ~84.36% in signing bonuses! A cheap owner doesn’t do that.

I was watching the Rick and Donnie show yesterday. Rick mentioned Dundon has a reputation for being tight with money. Carolina wants Vancouver to retain because Miller will be 32 years old and has 5 more seasons remaining on the contract. Let's see if Carolina will be a cap team when the upper limit is $105M in three seasons.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

well if rick and donnie said it I'm convinced

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Aaron Glenn is gonna turn them around just wait.

Unless he can convince Woody Johnson to sell, no he won't.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I was watching the Rick and Donnie show yesterday. Rick mentioned Dundon has a reputation for being tight with money. Carolina wants Vancouver to retain because Miller will be 32 years old and has 5 more seasons remaining on the contract. Let's see if Carolina will be a cap team when the upper limit is $105M in three seasons.

I'm guessing you'll be able to count on 1 hand the number of teams that hit the ceiling on a $105M cap.

 

[Svechhammer]

I was watching the Rick and Donnie show yesterday. Rick mentioned Dundon has a reputation for being tight with money. Carolina wants Vancouver to retain because Miller will be 32 years old and has 5 more seasons remaining on the contract. Let's see if Carolina will be a cap team when the upper limit is $105M in three seasons.

If you actually pay attention to the actual spending by the Canes, you'd realized that its an unearned reputation, which we detail every single time this shit gets brought up, but go on.

Its so reminiscent of the Montreal media claiming he was too poor to pay Aho's signing bonus during the offer sheet, and the only thing he said was "its clear that a lot of people don't understand how much a billion dollars really is"

The Canes have spent to the Cap every year he's owned the team. Even when we lose a player to FA, we still fully fill in that salary gap, often using some cap shenanigans to squeeze a bit more over the course of the season to facilitate a trade or 2 at the deadline. It is unequivocally false to say the Canes are cheap with their on ice roster.

 

[bleedgreen]

I was watching the Rick and Donnie show yesterday. Rick mentioned Dundon has a reputation for being tight with money. Carolina wants Vancouver to retain because Miller will be 32 years old and has 5 more seasons remaining on the contract. Let's see if Carolina will be a cap team when the upper limit is $105M in three seasons.

Lol of course they will. Why wouldn’t they? They’ve been a cap team for years.

There’s a difference between not wanting anyone to get overpaid and not paying anyone. I wish he wouldn’t grind every possible deal but it doesn’t come from being cheap, the guy won’t lose a deal. It’s frustrating but we don’t have bad deals generally.

 

[Svechhammer]

There’s a difference between not wanting anyone to get overpaid and not paying anyone. I wish he wouldn’t grind every possible deal possible but it doesn’t come from being cheap, the guy won’t lose a deal. It’s frustrating but we don’t have bad deals generally.

Yeah, its like faulting someone for not paying the listed price at a dealership and always wanting to negotiate the price down a bit.

 

[To Be Determined]

Same procedure as every year. And when the chips fall, the Canes were to cheap and lost out… will it be different this year? I doubt it

And sometimes the offer is reportedly as good as the winning one (with some even saying a little better) but the sharks gm trades the guy to his buddy in jersey anyway.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Same procedure as every year. And when the chips fall, the Canes were to cheap and lost out… will it be different this year? I doubt it

An excerpt from Canes page:
"A cheap owner doesn't spend to the cap every he has owned a team, and Dundon has spent to the cap every year he has owned the team, and often uses waivers and IR to squeeze a bit more cap space out over the course of the season to facilitate a deadline addition""

 

[chaz4hockey]

Lmfao what?

They got rolled by a very injured Panthers team 2 years ago, what could possibly make you think last year would be any different?

Many of the "injured" Cats team got hurt during the Canes series. That was a grueling series. Also, Canes also had Svetch out, TT hurt, Slavin was hurt. But, at least the Canes sell out every game.

 

[CaptainShark]

An excerpt from Canes page:
"A cheap owner doesn't spend to the cap every he has owned a team, and Dundon has spent to the cap every year he has owned the team, and often uses waivers and IR to squeeze a bit more cap space out over the course of the season to facilitate a deadline addition""

This isn’t about money but about assets they are (not) willing to give up…

 

[Svechhammer]

This isn’t about money but about assets they are (not) willing to give up…

Curious statement to make after the Guentzel trade last year

 

[Sparksrus3]

32 Thoughts: How record revenues in NHL could impact salary cap, next CBA

When it comes to future salary ceilings in the NHL, we might be getting some clarity beyond 2025-26. Elliotte Friedman has that, fallout from the McDavid suspension, J.T. Miller updates and more on this week's 32 Thoughts blog.

www.sportsnet.ca

The Canes were a runner up for Eichel, Tkachuk, Meier and Karlsson. They took a run at Pettersson. Do the stars finally align on a big move?

Jake Guentzel last March ?

 

[Chrispy]

This isn’t about money but about assets they are (not) willing to give up…

If the only thing Vancouver wants is Nikishin, Carolina is walking away.

As they should.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Who’s given up their top prospects lately? We gave top prospects for Jake. Nikishin is the only one bigger.

I mean I really like Koivunen a lot but he was ranked #7 in the Canes system at the time of the trade last year. I would argue that all of Nikishin, Nadeau, Morrow and Blake were better prospects than any of the pieces Carolina gave up. Plus they didn't have to give up a 1st in the deal, although the Penguins getting Brunicke with that pick makes that not a problem.

I don't think what worked in the Guentzel trade last year will generally work when bidding for most top players. For example, you're probably not pulling off Miller without including one of Morrow or Nadeau.

IMO the Canes could get Miller with something like Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st, but I don't think we've seen a track record of them trading a prospect on par with Morrow.