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Bean has HOF potential and a really decent chance of getting there.
stop with the memes this is a serious thread
Bean has HOF potential and a really decent chance of getting there.
One question for you guys- why do you all rate Bean as our top prospect? I mean he is good, and with a lot of potential, but I am not sure he should be our top prospect. At WJC he didnt look to good, and there is still a chance he will not even make NHL, because he needs to improve a lot to play at this level.
Thanks for this!I'll give you my $0.02 on why I have him rated high. From what I've seen of him, read of him and heard of him, he has a skill set (mainly offensive) that really does not exist anywhere within the organization. Secondly, his skills match very well with how the game is played today, meaning he's an excellent skater, has very good on ice vision/awareness, can jump into the play, and is good in transition. He's a scoring threat from the back end, but more in the mold of an Erik Karlsson than a Justin Faulk (I'm not saying he has the potential of Karlsson, just that's more his style from when I've watched him). For those reasons, I think his high end potential is greater than any other prospect we have.
That said, I understand your point. Maybe it's unwarranted but I do have more concerns that he's a higher risk for achieving his potential. IIRC, someone mentioned how underwhelmed they were when seeing him at camp this fall. His defensive game still needs work and he's still on the small side for an NHL defenseman. I get that he's around 170-175lbs (173 at the combine), but he looks very slight out there. He's not short though. I think he's a few years away from getting to the NHL, and frankly, with Slavin, Hanifin, Fleury and maybe even Carrick, the Canes have the luxury of letting him develop his game. We really won't know what we really have in Bean for quite a few years.
If there is a better way to describe it, I would say he's like a 8.5 peak with a 5.0 floor type prospect where to me Fleury is a 7.5 peak with a 6.0 floor.
On the flip side, Kuokkanen had some pretty mediocre stretches this year, and was worse at the WJC's to me, but got much less flak. I still think a lot of that comes from the fact that he came to us in almost the exact same way as Aho, and a number of people were calling for him to be our second round pick. Not to say he isn't a good pick either, because even with some hiccups, he had some great moments this year as well. I just think there are some things that colored how people feel about them.
I agree Vagrant, and I've said it for a while. I had said it wouldn't surprise me if they took a dman last year, but almost everyone seemed so shocked by the pick, and didn't like the thought of a dman that I think it stuck with him in a negative way. And people are so quick to jump on anyone taken behind him that has perhaps done better even though Bean was known to be a prospect with a very high ceiling, but several years away from it. Of course it's hard to say if he'll reach his potential, but I think he gets criticized a bit more than he deserves at times. Of course, everyone still seems to think pretty highly of him, I just think it colors the way he's seen for a lot.
On the flip side, Kuokkanen had some pretty mediocre stretches this year, and was worse at the WJC's to me, but got much less flak. I still think a lot of that comes from the fact that he came to us in almost the exact same way as Aho, and a number of people were calling for him to be our second round pick. Not to say he isn't a good pick either, because even with some hiccups, he had some great moments this year as well. I just think there are some things that colored how people feel about them.
My new Top 15:
1. Warren Foegele
2. Warren Foegele
3. Julien Gauthier
4. Warren Foegele
5. Warren Foegele
6. McLovin
7. Callum Booth
8. Warren Foegele
9. @FoegDaddy96
10 Spencer Smallman
11. Warren Foegele
12. Warren Foegele
13. Warren Foegele
14. 2 other Finns
15. The Swede we draft this year
you guys arent very high on Tolchy anymore?
you guys arent very high on Tolchy anymore?
you guys arent very high on Tolchy anymore?
you guys arent very high on Tolchy anymore?
Sparked by a conversation on another thread, I thought it might be a good exercise to rate/rank our prospect pool. In my case I'm going to use some combination of "best chance to get to the NHL", "highest potential impact in the NHL", and "opportunity to get the the NHL the soonest". I'm not going to include guys like PDG or McGinn given that they are already, borderline NHL'ers.
Here's my list as of this second (we all know how changeable things are):
1. Haydn Fleury
2. Aleksi Saarela
3. Valentin Zykov
4. Jake Bean
5. Lucas Wallmark
6. Janne Kuokkanen
7. Julien Gauthier
8. Nicolas Roy
9. Warren Foegele
10. Roland McKeown
11, Callum Booth
12. Trevor Carrick
13. Andrew Poturalski
14. David Cotton
15. Matt Filipe
Honorable Mentions:
A - Spencer Smallman
B - Alex Nedeljkovic
C - Jeremy Helvig
A couple of quick comments....while I think Zykov gets to the show sooner and more consistently than Saarela, I believe that, ultimately, Aleksi has the greater upside. Even though Jake Bean has been inconsistent in international play, what he did on a pretty poor Hitmen team this season after coming back from injury was impressive. Interestingly enough, I'd likely have Kuokkanen ranked a bit higher, but I believe he will miss out on making the big club next season and therefore end up back in Finland for a year....which might be the best thing for him at this juncture.
I'm good with that.
He's been playing his ass off this year IMHO. Needs to be called up by seasons end and put in a position to show us what he's got unless we're fighting tooth and nail til the last day of the season (and there's a chance of that). Same goes with Zykov and McLovin.