GDT: Carolina at Chicago: in which SBA gets a little bit Genghis Khan

[Helsinki Hurricanes]

Foegele's trade value exceeds his contract value at $2.5-3 million for me. I don't want Foegele in a top-6 and I don't think any 3rd line winger who isn't a PP/PK specialist should be making a penny over $3 million.

The point of the Canes having a top-5 prospect pool is that they don't have to overpay the likes of Foegele, McGinn, and Martinook. Churn the bottom-6 with ELCs.

I could see a struggling team like Buffalo overpaying to bring in a hard worker from a top team with the hopes that he can juice the compete.

All that said, I fully expect a $3+ million Foegele and an overpaid Martinook to be on the team next year. Martinook is a league minimum player that the Canes will probably give $2 million. Carl Soderberg is better in every single aspect and just got $1 million x 1 year.

Good point on Foegele. Trade makes sense if you get fair value back. I'm also but worried Martinook will be retained and paid for intangibles.

Problem is you are removing grinders and replacing them with Geekie, Jarvis type of players. Out of the prospect pool Rees and Cotton might be best stylistic fit for bottom six duties.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

McLovin takes too much heat around here, he's an ideal bottom/middle 6 winger if you ask me. I hope we can keep him around long term at a reasonable price, but I think he'll probably get more elsewhere and we'll really miss him -- unless one of our other young guys can step up in his place but I wouldn't assume that'll be easy.

He gets flak, because when he messes up he messes up big time. People will tolerate this far more in case of someone like Aho (who is well Aho), Pesce (who was our best D-man in the first third of the season) or Dougie (who racks up points like Robo racks up infractions because of fools on Main Board).

I know Brock is UFA but I think McLovin is still RFA, maybe arbitration eligible though. Out of Martinook, Brock, Foegs I would keep Foegele due to being RFA and best 5vs5 scorer.

I guess both Brock and Martinook can't leave due to both playing PK. I think both of them are too expensive for their roles in flatcap environment. It's also possible Martinook is kept for the leadership and versatility.

It’s tough between those three. But if Lorentz/Geekie step up we don’t need Marty for center depth (he’s better at wing anyway) and Brock is better as the depth scoring/PK option... while being more expensive. I would miss Martinook as a player, so LET’S WIN THE DAMN CUP WHILE HE’S STILL HERE.

Foegele imho needs another Capital Slayer streak going to justify his contract. GET THAT STREAK GOING HANDS OF STONE.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Also I would like to comment on THIS BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY OF “HIGH SCORING GAME DOES NOT EQUAL FUN GAME”.

Compare this to the 1-0 OT vs Tampa.
7 GOALS OR NOT THIS WAS A SNOREFEST.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know Brock is UFA but I think McLovin is still RFA, maybe arbitration eligible though. Out of Martinook, Brock, Foegs I would keep Foegele due to being RFA and best 5vs5 scorer.

I guess both Brock and Martinook can't leave due to both playing PK. I think both of them are too expensive for their roles in flatcap environment. It's also possible Martinook is kept for the leadership and versatility.

Remember that TT usually PK's, but isn't available. Foegele can also PK.

TT-Aho
Staal-Fast
Tro-Foegele

Should be just fine as PK lines without McGinn and Martinook.

 

[Lempo]

We go towards the off-season and negotiate with both. The first to sign is the winner.

Take them both into a room, start putting bills on the table and see who flinches first.

 

[hockeynjune]

Gotta say listening to John last night was a really sweet piece of nostalgia. Like some one else mentioned , I really wanted to hear " Hey,Hey whata ya say" one more time.

 

[Tryamw]

hey caners ! I've watched most of the games last 2 seasons but this season i've missed a lot... Anyone can tell me whats going on with andrei ? thanks!

He's Dead... Passes to no one and He's gripping his stick tight since players aren't where he expects them to be. And even when he gets it to them they whiff. And His shot is off this season.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Remember that TT usually PK's, but isn't available. Foegele can also PK.

TT-Aho
Staal-Fast
Tro-Foegele

Should be just fine as PK lines without McGinn and Martinook.

Would have sounded nuts the last season but HOW ABOUT NECAS WITH TRO INSTEAD?

Finnish Force
Stone Wall
Handsome Devil and Handsome Speed Demon

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Gotta say listening to John last night was a really sweet piece of nostalgia. Like some one else mentioned , I really wanted to hear " Hey,Hey whata ya say" one more time.

I dread the day that he says that when Seattle scores a goal against us.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I dread the day that he says that when Seattle scores a goal against us.

I'm ready for it. My best friend, who went with me to game 7 in 2006, is now a Kraken STH. I'm going to enjoy having two teams to follow, and Johnny will make it that much easier.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Remember that TT usually PK's, but isn't available. Foegele can also PK.

TT-Aho
Staal-Fast
Tro-Foegele

Should be just fine as PK lines without McGinn and Martinook.

Necas too. The PK is more predicated on denying zone entries and general speed than it is Brock eating shots like he used to.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Turbo is going to be ready to come back and we are going to be missing a bunch of folks due to Covid.

 

[AD Skinner]

Uh oh

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Turbo is going to be ready to come back and we are going to be missing a bunch of folks due to Covid.

FOR HELL'S SAKE I HOPE ONLY STAAL WAS EXPOSED TO THAT GUY.

RETURN OF THE COVID JORDO? (SUPERSTAAL?)

 

[Lempo]

So how's our points percentage?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So how's our points percentage?

To paraphrase Joe Esposito, we're the best around

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

So how's our points percentage?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Ummm, a bunch of our guys already got COVID. Wouldn't shock me if more of our guys than the ones that got sick from it have antibodies. I think we should be alright.

 

[Chrispy]

Ummm, a bunch of our guys already got COVID. Wouldn't shock me if more of our guys than the ones that got sick from it have antibodies. I think we should be alright.

If they had it in their system from earlier this season, they would have popped a positive test.

unless they tested positive during the pause or in the offseason, I would assume everyone who wasn’t held out is susceptible until the team is fully vaccinated*.

*If we are getting to general public eligibility, why the hell aren’t teams at least partially vaccinated already?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If they had it in their system from earlier this season, they would have popped a positive test.

unless they rested positive during the pause or in the offseason, I would assume everyone who wasn’t held out is susceptible until the team is fully vaccinated*.

*If we are getting to general public eligibility, why the hell aren’t teams at least partially vaccinated already?

Many of them probably are. I just got my shot yesterday.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If they had it in their system from earlier this season, they would have popped a positive test.

unless they rested positive during the pause or in the offseason, I would assume everyone who wasn’t held out is susceptible until the team is fully vaccinated*.

*If we are getting to general public eligibility, why the hell aren’t teams at least partially vaccinated already?

Symptoms and separation after the 2nd dose costs the players time away

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Many of them probably are. I just got my shot yesterday.

Rod has said once or twice he had no information on how vaccinations will work for the players

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He gets flak, because when he messes up he messes up big time. People will tolerate this far more in case of someone like Aho (who is well Aho), Pesce (who was our best D-man in the first third of the season) or Dougie (who racks up points like Robo racks up infractions because of fools on Main Board).
.

If that's the view, then i think expectations are pretty far off. Aho is a 1C who gets paid a fortune and tons of prime ice time. Pesce is a 2/3 D who is on a great contract, but is higher up on both the pay and playing time scale. Same for Dougie.

Foegele is gets bottom six minutes and gets paid like a bottom sixer, because that's what his talent and skill dictate he should be. Thus he's going to "mess-up" at times and not have highs like Aho, Pesce, or Dougie, etc.. If he did, he'd be paid more and get more minutes. All teams have players like that. IMO, the "good" of Foegele far outweighs the bad in the role he's in, and that's exactly what you want.

If his contract demands get too high, you move on. If not, you keep him.

 

[Chrispy]

...
If his contract demands get too high, you move on. If not, you keep him.

I think that’s the big question: at what price point do you need more offense from a player than “Holy **** that worked!!??”

I don’t know either, but I think Foegele is getting close.