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Carolina, 2nd in the Metro, just downgraded at the deadline

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tarheelhockey said:
What did you expect? Acquiring Rantanen was a bold move to get ahead of the deadline, but the player himself became a problem. They rolled the dice and didn’t get the result they were looking for.

Instead of sitting on him as a rental, they moved on quickly. It was the only move.
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That’s fine. A corresponding move or two to try to improve elsewhere is the logical next step. Their approach was just to punt.

I know some felt that they had no chance to win it all this year. I expect something different from NHL management.
 
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Big Daddy Cane said:
No pivot. Simply Stankoven in, Rantanen out.

I’m usually able to provide justification for their moves, but this is befuddling.

I can’t think of too many comps. Only Tampa trading St. Louis in 2014 comes to mind really. That was a club coming out of a rebuild, not an established playoff team.
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I was told that everyone expected them to be a bubble team and nothing more
 
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To me the problem is that Nelson, Coyle, Cozens and Norris all moved and the Canes still need a 2C.

Overall I’ve been torn on the Borg the whole time. It’s hard to complain when we’re in the playoffs each year but I don’t agree with their philosophies much. I don’t agree that everyone is replaceable aside from Aho and Slavin, and I think it’s played out over the years that most of the better players they let go of have been replaced with downgrades.

I don’t get grinding Guentzel over 9 then offering Rants 13. I don’t get the switch to going after rentals at all. Both times zero negotiations ahead of time? Cmon. Being ok with trading Necas for a rental and also being ok with keeping Rants and letting him walk is brutal to me. They never seemed to value Necas. I don’t care if he didn’t fit the style.

“Helping” TO out and ending up with Jarvis was a brilliant but lucky move. If it was TD that made Tulsky recoup with Rants instead of riding it out then I’m happy he interfered.

I don’t mind that Rants was holding out for what team he wanted, he waited a decade to have a choice and I respect that. I don’t respect the way he played while he was here. He hasn’t had the most spirited season before he came, but he absolutely mailed it in with us. He wouldn’t take the puck to the net at all. He came off as a little aloof and like it was beneath him, or just flat out pouty. I didn’t want to pay him the contract going in because I’m not convinced he’s who we should pay that money to, I don’t think he’s worth it. I’m unimpressed we believed he was. His skating prevents him from driving play. I don’t wish other teams ill will, and I hope Dallas fans are happy with him but it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t live up to the price. He has to arrive a completely different player there and stay at that level for a long time.
 
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Big Daddy Cane said:
That’s fine. A corresponding move or two to try to improve elsewhere is the logical next step. Their approach was just to punt.

I know some felt that they had no chance to win it all this year. I expect something different from NHL management.
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I mean you can look at their roster and it’s pretty obvious they aren’t built for a deep run this year. If Stankoven doesn’t step in there at 2C, their center depth right now is Aho-Staal-Kotkaniemi-Jost. That’s just not good enough to be a Cup contender.

Rantanen was the big swing. They did well to claw back some value from him, but when that move busted it ended any serious hopes of a Cup this year. What we’ve seen since December is what they are as a team right now. Hopefully they play a pest role in the playoffs and leverage their impending cap space to make some bold moves for next year.
 
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They're now moving towards a rebuilding team. Clearly they pivoted. Traded good players for futures.

Knew they weren't good enough to win and started selling. Wouldn't be surprised to see more selling at the draft.
 
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No other way to excuse it, its just a complete bungling of asset management this season. Even before the Rantanen trade it was becoming pretty clear that the team had a ton of major holes that were going to hold them back, but that would have been fine only if they could extend him and help the future, but not that this went out the window, its just a complete failure.

Stankoven is a good player, but he isn't going to move the needle in making us more of a contender. Not making any other moves was a signal to the fanbase that the front office is punting on the season. f***ing brutal given what it looked like at the start.
 
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Divine said:
They're now moving towards a rebuilding team. Clearly they pivoted. Traded good players for futures.

Knew they weren't good enough to win and started selling. Wouldn't be surprised to see more selling at the draft.
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With Nikishin and Morrow being regulars next year, plus the farm they have, there is no reason to think they won't bounce back quickly. This was always going to be a lull of a year, but they somehow managed to make a mess of it in the process.
 
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They know this isn't their year and managed to add that will be both cheap AND a 21 years old middle-6 contributor (at the very worst).

They probably shouldn't have been in this position in the first place, but considering where they were 24 hours, that seems like the right thing to do.
 
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Meh. They took a gamble on Rantanen and still managed to come out ahead in terms of value. The type of player they need to target with the picks they acquired is more of an offseason move so it didn’t make sense to spend now. And I doubt the difference between Necas and Stankhoven is going to decide whether or not they win the cup this year.
 
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Nikishin al Gaib said:
No other way to excuse it, its just a complete bungling of asset management this season. Even before the Rantanen trade it was becoming pretty clear that the team had a ton of major holes that were going to hold them back, but that would have been fine only if they could extend him and help the future, but not that this went out the window, its just a complete failure.

Stankoven is a good player, but he isn't going to move the needle in making us more of a contender. Not making any other moves was a signal to the fanbase that the front office is punting on the season. f***ing brutal given what it looked like at the start.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if the Dallas trade kept them so busy they didn’t really have a lot of time to make another deal. Also….after our rental trades we didn’t have many extra assets until Rants finally happened and I’m glad they didn’t impulse spend those picks.

This team doesn’t have it. Only make moves that last right now.
 
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The annoyance for me is not doing a corresponding move for a forward that might be a better long-term fit with one of the two firsts we got back from Dallas. A guy like Boeser would be a good fit here IMO, and even a guy like Rakell is at least a better stylistic fit not to mention he has term on his contract while still being productive.
Ncit3 said:
Can you really say you downgrade when the guy you trade has done dick since he's been in town? Rantanen looked like shit in Carolina.
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The downgrade wasn't from Rantanen to Stankoven + picks, the downgrade was in Necas and Drury to Stankoven, Hall, and picks.

As poor a fit as Necas was for the Canes system he still produced like an all star caliber player at times (even before this season) and for all the complaining his father did in the media last year Necas was still a consummate professional and gave to the team what he had as a player. I can't say the same for the level of play about the guy we just sent out especially the last few games before the deadline, though earlier in his time here he was at least playing the right way even if he wasn't producing.
 
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The Nuge said:
Meh. They took a gamble on Rantanen and still managed to come out ahead in terms of value. The type of player they need to target with the picks they acquired is more of an offseason move so it didn’t make sense to spend now. And I doubt the difference between Necas and Stankhoven is going to decide whether or not they win the cup this year.
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On today’s events I agree. We came out ahead with Necas, we were going to trade him for fourth overall this summer and now we have Stank and two future firsts which I’m happy with.

The issues that some people struggle with have been building for awhile. We’re a playoff team so it’s not worth going overboard on.
 
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DaveG said:
The annoyance for me is not doing a corresponding move for a forward that might be a better long-term fit with one of the two firsts we got back from Dallas. A guy like Boeser would be a good fit here IMO, and even a guy like Rakell is at least a better stylistic fit not to mention he has term on his contract while still being productive.

The downgrade wasn't from Rantanen to Stankoven + picks, the downgrade was in Necas and Drury to Stankoven, Hall, and picks.

As poor a fit as Necas was for the Canes system he still produced like an all star caliber player at times (even before this season) and for all the complaining his father did in the media last year Necas was still a consummate professional and gave to the team what he had as a player. I can't say the same for the level of play about the guy we just sent out especially the last few games before the deadline, though earlier in his time here he was at least playing the right way even if he wasn't producing.
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Eh, I think it's a fair argument but do the Canes really have a team that is going to compete this year for it all? East is weak but Florida and Tampa are going to have their way with whoever they play. And Necas definitely was not going to sign long term in Carolina. Definitely not good for their chances this season, and they tried with Rantanen, but I think reality slapped them in the face.

Get what you can and retool for runs in the next few seasons.
 
Ncit3 said:
Eh, I think it's a fair argument but do the Canes really have a team that is going to compete this year for it all? East is weak but Florida and Tampa are going to have their way with whoever they play. And Necas definitely was not going to sign long term in Carolina. Definitely not good for their chances this season, and they tried with Rantanen, but I think reality slapped them in the face.

Get what you can and retool for runs in the next few seasons.
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This year no, but the outlook for this year was always make the playoffs and you never know, but use the roster flexibility of next season to make a real move in the standings again. A motivated Rantanen could have been a large part of that but that's the furthest thing from what the end result of his play here was.

If Nikishin comes over after the season as expected and with the money coming off the books from Orlov and Burns the room is most definitely there to make the needed roster additions (another top 6 F or 2, and a non-ancient RD1) to have the team as a contender next season.

I actually like Stankoven a LOT. He should be our #2C long-term. Picking up Stankoven is a great move if we want to compete for a Cup 3 years from now. Will he be that next year though? Even 2 years from now I'm not sure, and the team made no corresponding move to bolster the lineup around what's currently set to be in place next season.
 
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Still hate this playoff format. Caps get to walk through their first 2 matchups pretty much guaranteed. Canes and Devs obviously aren't as good, but also matchup VERY poorly. Especially the Devs. Only challenge could maybe be a Cinderella Rangers team if they keep trending up and Shesterkin gets hot. No other team that might be in the WC has a shot.
 
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Nikishin al Gaib said:
No other way to excuse it, its just a complete bungling of asset management this season. Even before the Rantanen trade it was becoming pretty clear that the team had a ton of major holes that were going to hold them back, but that would have been fine only if they could extend him and help the future, but not that this went out the window, its just a complete failure.

Stankoven is a good player, but he isn't going to move the needle in making us more of a contender. Not making any other moves was a signal to the fanbase that the front office is punting on the season. f***ing brutal given what it looked like at the start.
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At the start of these year I thought they'd barely be a wildcard team based on who left over the summer.
 
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Ncit3 said:
Can you really say you downgrade when the guy you trade has done dick since he's been in town? Rantanen looked like shit in Carolina.
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You’re not wrong. At all. I live in CO and watch almost as much Avs as Canes, I’ve watched Rants his whole career. He should be embarrassed. That was pure shite. The first two periods last night he would’ve been bad in the AHL. Made a few efforts in the third.

It’s saying something when as a Canes fan you can honestly say he was easily outplayed by Hall since the trade. It’s not really close. Hall has played himself into probably a contract. Rants almost played himself out of one.
 
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