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Carey Price or Connor Hellebuyck

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Don’t really think Helly is a playoff disaster like some say though I do agree he could have been better at times. I get last year was bad but it was probably the worst series of his life. He’s beaten Rinne in a series who was a veznia goalie. He was the difference in sweeping the Oilers in 2021 but then also got swept himself and out goalie by Price. 2023 Against Vegas they were just outmatched as a team and only way they could win is if he stole it which he couldnt.

Carey Price is just the better goalie. Hes stolen more series his team shouldn’t have won. He has dragging a non contending team to the finals on his resume. Helly still has time to pass him but right now it’s Price still.
 
I'll take the goalie who just about dragged a running hot Habs team to a cup and almost single handedly brought the cup back to Canada.

This playoffs is a make it or break it year for Hellebuyck.
 
Do Make Say Think said:
Price is one of the most overrated goalies ever

If he has the same career in Nashville, nobody would care about him

Same with Lundqvist
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i think Lundqvist was much more consistent.

Agree about Price, though. He had one great year, and one good playoff run. His playoffs were often subpar.

Better than Hellebuyk in that regard, though.
 
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Dingo said:
i think Lundqvist was much more consistent.

Agree about Price, though. He had one great year, and one good playoff run. His playoffs were often subpar.

Better than Hellebuyk in that regard, though.
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Often subpar in the playoffs you say.

Lets expand on that. Which years were subpar?

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it's close. the big difference is that Price played behind a terrible team unable to score goals along with an awful defense. That's why he gets my vote here.
 
Imagine having Desharnais as ur #1 center for years then imagine bringing that team to the playoffs

Price carried our shitty team for years look at his international numbers when he actually had a good team in front of him it sucks we coudlnt give him a better team Carey deserved better he was a monster for us for years

"Overrated" gtfo thats pure ignorance
 
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Nico Cauzuki said:
Imagine having Desharnais as ur #1 center for years then imagine bringing that team to the playoffs

Price carried our shitty team for years look at his international numbers when he actually had a good team in front of him it sucks we coudlnt give him a better team Carey deserved better he was a monster for us for years

"Overrated" gtfo thats pure ignorance
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Gonna borrow this from @WarriorofTime

Observers should take into account that the season of Price's career where the team peaked offensively, they were 3rd in goals scored leaguewide in 2012-13, but were just 13/30 in goals against and Price had a down year with a .905 save percentage and struggled in the playoffs before injury knocked him out. This seems to suggest Price benefitted from systems that prioritized defense/goal suppression and the "David Deshairnais 1st line center" stuff was a feature, not a bug for his career.
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Very close for sure, hard to say as things stand right now. I think I can confidently say that Helle will have the better career when its all said and done though.
 
iBlameGriff said:
I don’t know about overrated. I feel like most people put him in the top 10 best goalies of the 21st century, probably outside the top 5 (Brodeur, Lundqvist, Vasilevskiy, Fleury, Bobrovsky, Luongo ahead), then it’s pretty close with the likes of Hellebuyck, Miller, Vokoun, Thomas, Rask, Rinne
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How is Fleury better than Price ? Do people forget how Fleury was perceived here up to 2018?

Even during their peaks, Crosby was always saying that Price was the best goalie...better than his buddy and team starter in Fleury.

I love Fleury, but he's the Patrick Marleau of Goalies.
 
iBlameGriff said:
The “he did it on shit teams” argument have always been so weird to me and it’s mostly a thing for modern goalies. Like literally no one says things like “Tomas Vokoun is better than Patrick Roy because he carried teams that sucked”.
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Well I mean winning cups in 86 and 93 with average teams is pretty much always cited as one of Roy's greatest achievements, so yes people do say that all the time!
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Often subpar in the playoffs you say.

Lets expand on that. Which years were subpar?

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2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

also, a career .919 is..... meh.

it aint bad, however, defences tighten up in the playoffs, less is called, and there are less powerplays (nearly every goalie is under .900 in the playoffs over enough of a sample size). All of this leads to higher playoff save %s.

He has had good runs, bad runs, and meh runs. It is better than Hellebuyk so far, however he isnt some playoff monster.

As always, Price is getting the glass half full treatment here.

The 'he can't win' mantle that has hung around the neck of many players, goalie and otherwise, never applied to him. Not his fault, his teams sucked. Ok, fine, I actually agree with that, however, he still got special treatment compared to others.

Bobrovsky was a laughing stock idiot right up until last spring, and he has had a similar, but worse, career than Price. He has TWO great years instead of one, but he also has had worse down years and playoff runs. However, the difference between the media, and media sheep, treatment of the two is the difference between God and a court jester.

It took Price a LONG time to even have a playoffs comparable to the guy they ousted, Halak, for his Highness to take his spot on the royal throne. But nobody ever mentioned that. Price was prophecied. Price was number 3 in the Montreal Godhead - first Dryden, then Roy, now Price.

And he had won great season, one other time he was a distant finalist for the Vezina, and one truly great playoff run. He won nothing (again, this isnt one of my criticisms, but its been one for a lot of others) and left with a whimper. If he wasnt a Hab, if the press and scouts didnt go balls deep selling him to begin with, he would be seen as a bit of a flop. Instead he is the greatest goalie since Hasek (maybe better?) and lets talk about that one season, and how his team was terrible, and how good he was in 2014 for Canada. Which would be fine if we also decide to elevate the jabroni who just won Gold for Canada at the Four Nations. Winning for Canada is the extreme opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to what is required of someone to 'be a winner' Canada IS the actual Big, Red Machine.
 
Dingo said:
2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

also, a career .919 is..... meh.

it aint bad, however, defences tighten up in the playoffs, less is called, and there are less powerplays (nearly every goalie is under .900 in the playoffs over enough of a sample size). All of this leads to higher playoff save %s.

He has had good runs, bad runs, and meh runs. It is better than Hellebuyk so far, however he isnt some playoff monster.

As always, Price is getting the glass half full treatment here.

The 'he can't win' mantle that has hung around the neck of many players, goalie and otherwise, never applied to him. Not his fault, his teams sucked. Ok, fine, I actually agree with that, however, he still got special treatment compared to others.

Bobrovsky was a laughing stock idiot right up until last spring, and he has had a similar, but worse, career than Price. He has TWO great years instead of one, but he also has had worse down years and playoff runs. However, the difference between the media, and media sheep, treatment of the two is the difference between God and a court jester.

It took Price a LONG time to even have a playoffs comparable to the guy they ousted, Halak, for his Highness to take his spot on the royal throne. But nobody ever mentioned that. Price was prophecied. Price was number 3 in the Montreal Godhead - first Dryden, then Roy, now Price.

And he had won great season, one other time he was a distant finalist for the Vezina, and one truly great playoff run. He won nothing (again, this isnt one of my criticisms, but its been one for a lot of others) and left with a whimper. If he wasnt a Hab, if the press and scouts didnt go balls deep selling him to begin with, he would be seen as a bit of a flop. Instead he is the greatest goalie since Hasek (maybe better?) and lets talk about that one season, and how his team was terrible, and how good he was in 2014 for Canada. Which would be fine if we also decide to elevate the jabroni who just won Gold for Canada at the Four Nations. Winning for Canada is the extreme opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to what is required of someone to 'be a winner' Canada IS the actual Big, Red Machine.
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The funny part is watching them talk out of both sides of their mouths with regards to players on those Habs teams.

In a Price thread he gets painted as a god carrying a team of beer leaguers to the playoffs on his back as broad as the great white north.

In other threads, Markov got robbed of Norris votes/wins, Kovalev and Koivu should've won Harts, Pacioretty is the most underrated goal scorer of the 2010s and Plekanec was as good as Bergeron
 
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I think they are pretty close, wouldn't fault someone either way. Hellebuyck has more accolades and will continue adding to that. Would have liked to have seen Price on a team as deep as Winnipeg.
 
Hellebuyck just needs that one magical playoff run. Could be this year. That kind of thing erases a lot of past playoff woes, ala Bobrovsky.
 
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