Player Discussion Carey Price - Moving Home Edition

[Lafleurs Guy]

Heard that too, lucky they took Pouliot. Shows the ineptness of Timmins.

Give credit where it's due. We had Theodore and Timmins still went with Price.

Also thank the Gods for this. It was a one time lottery. Our first top five pick in 25 years... so lucky to have gotten Price.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We should now (and throughout Price's tenure), give thanks to Minnesota for saving the Habs from themselves.

"Hello is Cody Glass available?"

"No. But you can have Nick Suzuki..."

 

[JianYang]

"Hello is Cody Glass available?"

"No. But you can have Nick Suzuki..."

You never know what can happen with these types of deals. I recall a report going back to the kovalev deal where the Rangers took back balej. They also had the option of taking plekanec instead.

Oopsie.

 

[Paradoxe]

You never know what can happen with these types of deals. I recall a report going back to the kovalev deal where the Rangers took back balej. They also had the option of taking plekanec instead.

Oopsie.

DAANGGG!

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Give credit where it's due. We had Theodore and Timmins still went with Price.

Also thank the Gods for this. It was a one time lottery. Our first top five pick in 25 years... so lucky to have gotten Price.

Drafting 5th overall odds was in his favour on getting good player.

Pouliot would been nightmare. We stayed with Timmins way to long. He was totally inept

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Drafting 5th overall odds was in his favour on getting good player.

No kidding.

Pouliot would been nightmare. We stayed with Timmins way too long. He was totally inept

Nobody had an issue with him until we hired Bergevin. Then all of a sudden we became the place where prospects go to die. And notice that as soon as Begevin left Timmins’ later picks suddenly started panning out again.

And yeah, Pouliot would’ve sucked but he went 4th because that’s where he was projected to go. It’s silly to criticize Timmins on a player we never even had the opportunity to draft rather than recognizing the amazing pick he actually made. Price was an incredible talent and he was heavily criticized for making it. But it was the best thing to happen to the franchise since our last cup win.

And I firmly believe that if we’d hired a half decent GM instead of Bergevin, we’d likely have seen a cup during the Price era.

 

[Le Tricolore]

"Hello is Cody Glass available?"

"No. But you can have Nick Suzuki..."

"How about Tomas Plekanec?"

"We'd really prefer Jozef Balej"

You win some, you lose some.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

"How about Tomas Plekanec?"

"We'd really prefer Jozef Balej"

You win some, you lose some.

“Guys, I tried to get a center but… they’re not available.”

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Surprised nobody commenting on Gainey's remarks on why Florida has dominated the Stanley Cup last 5 years.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Surprised nobody commenting on Gainey's remarks on why Florida has dominated the Stanley Cup last 5 years.

Link?

 

[Whitesnake]

My issue with raising jerseys is that it got out of hand. We raised way too many jerseys. The only purpose in retiring a jersey is always about ''if a player wears that jersey, will it be too much pressure for him to wear that jersey'' or as far as does anybody else deserve to wear that jersey. Geez, I had no problem seeing a typical journeyman like Ron Flockhart wear No29....I saw Dryden play. I loved him. But never thought of him wearing a number that could not be worn after. Geez, how many people were outraged to see O'Byrne with Number 3? Until Ron Fournier decided that he had to make a case for Emile Bouchard. The only 3 guys I, me, think deserved to see their jerseys being retired were Béliveau, Richard and Lafleur and maybe, a case for Pocket Richard Number 16 because of the NHL record that will never be beaten. For me, that would have been it.

It should have been about Cups. About winning. About whatever. We already have the Ring of Honor. Should have been enough. I mean at one point....going with too many players to retire their jersey just eliminate the idea that you belong to an extreme class of your own. With all the respect I have for those guys, having seen them play a lot and loving them, having Gainey and Carbo up there at the same level as Rocket Richard and Lafleur is insane for me.

Now...Carey Price. Again, some are going with cups and all..not his fault if our GM was stupid enough to not surround him better. Kings failed Marcel Dionne. Buffalo failed Gilbert Perreault. And Bergevin failed Carey Price. We will see with McDavid....but chances Oilers will get their Cup. So not Price's fault. But going back to the number....somehow,,,I wouldn't mind seeing a goalie wear that number again. So...nope. Not retiring it for me. But he will be a Hall of Famer no doubt. Hence will be in our Ring of Honor.

Now, if they do it, so be it. He was out best player. He was THE best goalie of his generation. He just got Montreal screw job Bergevin way. Not his fault.

 

[Whitesnake]

"How about Tomas Plekanec?"

"We'd really prefer Jozef Balej"

You win some, you lose some.

here's the thing though....Carey Price is THE best pick of the Timmins era. And the best asset acquired under Gainey. Nick Suzuki is THE best asset acquired by Bergevin. So our 2 best moves since 20 years were accidents and actually created by other teams. Nobody should be surprised by our lack of success in the past years before Hughes....

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

My issue with raising jerseys is that it got out of hand. We raised way too many jerseys. The only purpose in retiring a jersey is always about ''if a player wears that jersey, will it be too much pressure for him to wear that jersey'' or as far as does anybody else deserve to wear that jersey. Geez, I had no problem seeing a typical journeyman like Ron Flockhart wear No29....I saw Dryden play. I loved him. But never thought of him wearing a number that could not be worn after. Geez, how many people were outraged to see O'Byrne with Number 3? Until Ron Fournier decided that he had to make a case for Emile Bouchard. The only 3 guys I, me, think deserved to see their jerseys being retired were Béliveau, Richard and Lafleur and maybe, a case for Pocket Richard Number 16 because of the NHL record that will never be beaten. For me, that would have been it.

It should have been about Cups. About winning. About whatever. We already have the Ring of Honor. Should have been enough. I mean at one point....going with too many players to retire their jersey just eliminate the idea that you belong to an extreme class of your own. With all the respect I have for those guys, having seen them play a lot and loving them, having Gainey and Carbo up there at the same level as Rocket Richard and Lafleur is insane for me.

Now...Carey Price. Again, some are going with cups and all..not his fault if our GM was stupid enough to not surround him better. Kings failed Marcel Dionne. Buffalo failed Gilbert Perreault. And Bergevin failed Carey Price. We will see with McDavid....but chances Oilers will get their Cup. So not Price's fault. But going back to the number....somehow,,,I wouldn't mind seeing a goalie wear that number again. So...nope. Not retiring it for me. But he will be a Hall of Famer no doubt. Hence will be in our Ring of Honor.

Now, if they do it, so be it. He was out best player. He was THE best goalie of his generation. He just got Montreal screw job Bergevin way. Not his fault.

If your preferred standard was the current standard, I'd 100% agree with you. But it's not, so I gotta disagree. Carey deserves his number retired ahead of a few that already had theirs retired.

 

[Whitesnake]

If your preferred standard was the current standard, I'd 100% agree with you. But it's not, so I gotta disagree. Carey deserves his number retired ahead of a few that already had theirs retired.

If the current standard is winning cups...he's not going to see his jersey retired.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

That's not the current standard, the retired Habs players all just happen to have Stanley cups to their name. Causation vs correlation. If Lafleur scored 500 goals and won his Harts but never won a cup, I guarantee he would've still had his jersey retired.

But maybe I'm wrong and you're right. Let's go with that. It rubs me the wrong way that just because of the luck of playing on a certain team or era, the no.3 D on a dynasty gets in over arguably the most talented goalie of a generation with a Hart to his name

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

My issue with raising jerseys is that it got out of hand. We raised way too many jerseys. The only purpose in retiring a jersey is always about ''if a player wears that jersey, will it be too much pressure for him to wear that jersey'' or as far as does anybody else deserve to wear that jersey. Geez, I had no problem seeing a typical journeyman like Ron Flockhart wear No29....I saw Dryden play. I loved him. But never thought of him wearing a number that could not be worn after. Geez, how many people were outraged to see O'Byrne with Number 3? Until Ron Fournier decided that he had to make a case for Emile Bouchard. The only 3 guys I, me, think deserved to see their jerseys being retired were Béliveau, Richard and Lafleur and maybe, a case for Pocket Richard Number 16 because of the NHL record that will never be beaten. For me, that would have been it.

It should have been about Cups. About winning. About whatever. We already have the Ring of Honor. Should have been enough. I mean at one point....going with too many players to retire their jersey just eliminate the idea that you belong to an extreme class of your own. With all the respect I have for those guys, having seen them play a lot and loving them, having Gainey and Carbo up there at the same level as Rocket Richard and Lafleur is insane for me.

Now...Carey Price. Again, some are going with cups and all..not his fault if our GM was stupid enough to not surround him better. Kings failed Marcel Dionne. Buffalo failed Gilbert Perreault. And Bergevin failed Carey Price. We will see with McDavid....but chances Oilers will get their Cup. So not Price's fault. But going back to the number....somehow,,,I wouldn't mind seeing a goalie wear that number again. So...nope. Not retiring it for me. But he will be a Hall of Famer no doubt. Hence will be in our Ring of Honor.

Now, if they do it, so be it. He was out best player. He was THE best goalie of his generation. He just got Montreal screw job Bergevin way. Not his fault.

Not going to comment on the Price thing as that’s been done. I find your comments about only Lafleur Beliveau and Richard interesting.

But I’d say that if you’re going to make the club that exclusive, you have to include Howe Morenz and Doug Harvey.

Morenz is considered the best player of the first half century. And Doug Harvey might just be the best player to have ever worn the uniform. If you’re retiring those other players, Morenz and Harvey must be included as well. Doug Harvey might be the 5th best player of all time.

 

[Whitesnake]

Not going to comment on the Price thing as that’s been done. I find your comments about only Lafleur Beliveau and Richard interesting.

But I’d say that if you’re going to make the club that exclusive, you have to include Howe Morenz and Doug Harvey.

Morenz is considered the best player of the first half century. And Doug Harvey might just be the best player to have ever worn the uniform. If you’re retiring those other players, Morenz and Harvey must be included as well. Doug Harvey might be the 5th best player of all time.

Would be open to that too. For the sake of recognizing the past. Sure. Add Morenz and Harvey. But that's it!!! lolll

 

[Sorinth]

It should have been about Cups. About winning. About whatever. We already have the Ring of Honor. Should have been enough. I mean at one point....going with too many players to retire their jersey just eliminate the idea that you belong to an extreme class of your own. With all the respect I have for those guys, having seen them play a lot and loving them, having Gainey and Carbo up there at the same level as Rocket Richard and Lafleur is insane for me.

I think you are probably right that too many jersey's have been retired but I very much disagree that it should be about cups. It should be about the emotional connection to the fans and in essence the player being synonymous with the team.

 

[Habnot]

It should not be about winning cups given our past and with the new reality of present day NHL.

I read somewhere that Shutt and Lemaire should be ahead. I completely disagree - these players benefited playing on a dynasty team. I am old enough to have watched them live and all their careers. Neither were top 10 in the league in terms of pure talent.

I also believe you should have some representation from different eras. IMO - Price is a no brainer. Elite player for his position, 15 years as a Hab - multiple records for the Habs including most wins and a Hart trophy. That is enough for me.

 

[Canadienna]

My opinion for what it's worth is that Price was "the guy" for an entire generation of Habs fans that never got to see a cup.

Retiring his jersey would be an hommage to those fans as much as it is to Carey. We never got to see Beliveau, the Richards, Lafleur, Plante, etc, Carey was our guy.

 

[Sorinth]

It should not be about winning cups given our past and with the new reality of present day NHL.

I read somewhere that Shutt and Lemaire should be ahead. I completely disagree - these players benefited playing on a dynasty team. I am old enough to have watched them live and all their careers. Neither were top 10 in the league in terms of pure talent.

I also believe you should have some representation from different eras. IMO - Price is a no brainer. Elite player for his position, 15 years as a Hab - multiple records for the Habs including most wins and a Hart trophy. That is enough for me.

Yeah when it becomes about cups it becomes about the GM. Price not having cups is directly correlated to Bergevin being the GM during his prime. Seems wrong for one guy to get his jersey retired because his GM was Pollock and another to not get his jersey retired because his GM was Bergevin.

 

[Whitesnake]

I think you are probably right that too many jersey's have been retired but I very much disagree that it should be about cups. It should be about the emotional connection to the fans and in essence the player being synonymous with the team.

Fine. Don't go Cup if you don't want. But going connection....Koivu connected...should we retire 11? Kovalev connected...should we retire 27? Subban connected...should we retire 76? Jersey retiring should be synonym of nobody is worth to wear that jersey. I swear, as much as we like Carey and I do think he was the best goalie of his generation, in 5-10 years, nobody would care if Tony Tartempion wears 31. But a lot of people would care if the same Tony would wear No10.

Still wondering why it was fine for Flockart to wear 29 without people saying anything....but thne you have to retire Dryden. Why is was fine for O'Byrne to wear 3...

you know a guy is special when NOBODY wore No9 after 1960. Or nobody wore 4 after 1971. Or nobody wore 10 after 1985.

Hey I guess Carey Price's number is on a watch list...maybe in 10-15 years, if nobody has the nerve to wear No31 since Carey left...maybe he'd fit the point I'm trying to make...

And just before a smartass comes to me and talk about Ben Maxwell being the only guy to have worn No80......so we should retire it....it's not because Maxwell was great..it's because it's an ugly ass hockey number...lol

 

[WeThreeKings]

First ballot hall of famer
Holds numerous Habs records above goalies who did have their jersey numbers retired.
Hart and Vezina winner.
Olympic gold winner.
Brought us to our first cup appearance since 1993.

He's a lock to get his number retired and it isn't a debate.

 

[BLONG7]

Surprised nobody commenting on Gainey's remarks on why Florida has dominated the Stanley Cup last 5 years.

What did Bob say?? Weather / Taxes??

 

[nhlfan9191]

First ballot hall of famer
Holds numerous Habs records above goalies who did have their jersey numbers retired.
Hart and Vezina winner.
Olympic gold winner.
Brought us to our first cup appearance since 1993.

He's a lock to get his number retired and it isn't a debate.

He qualifies in the upcoming class doesn’t he? He better be a first ballot given every conversation I’ve had the last ten years has said he would be. Lol