OT: Career advice Part II

[sbjnyc]

Ah when I'm referring to VBA I mean VBA for Excel/Word etc. rather than stand alone. We have controls for end user applications like this so we keep inventories of these so everyone know what there is where they are and what they do along with some other key info.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Ah when I'm referring to VBA I mean VBA for Excel/Word etc. rather than stand alone. We have controls for end user applications like this so we keep inventories of these so everyone know what there is where they are and what they do along with some other key info.

It was VBA for excel. No one but the guy that built it knew how to use it.

 

[effen]

Have you all ever done the Myers Briggs, DiSC, or other personality test at work?

Astrology for millenials.

 

[Chytilmania]

Astrology for millenials.

Drury gave the entire team a Myers Brigg to see who the next captain is.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Drury gave the entire team a Myers Brigg to see who the next captain is.

Mika is definitely introverted feeling.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Question for developers. I know it's not all glamorous but it feels like one of those most fun jobs in the world. You're solving logic puzzles for a living. Am I looking at it with rose colored glasses?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Question for developers. I know it's not all glamorous but it feels like one of those most fun jobs in the world. You're solving logic puzzles for a living. Am I looking at it with rose colored glasses?

I like it a lot, but the people who are really successful are the super nerds who do this shit in their free time for fun. That’s not me. I’m like doing it but only as a job, maybe that will limit me idk .

 

[Takeahnase]

I’m not a developer, but have worked with a slew of them for nearly two decades and one thing I have never heard is one of them ever say is that it is one of the most fun jobs in the world.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I like it a lot, but the people who are really successful are the super nerds who do this shit in their free time for fun. That’s not me. I’m like doing it but only as a job, maybe that will limit me idk .

I've been obsessing the last two days about building a game that I play in Python. I'm pretty beginner so it'll be a huge challenge but I think it'll be really cool and will help me learn. Also, I'm super nerd in excel and do those projects for fun. I legit think I may have something here.

 

[Kane One]

I've been obsessing the last two days about building a game that I play in Python. I'm pretty beginner so it'll be a huge challenge but I think it'll be really cool and will help me learn. Also, I'm super nerd in excel and do those projects for fun. I legit think I may have something here.

Make a game if you want to learn how to be a game developer.

Make an actual useful program if you want a much more in-demand role. Make a to-do list app. There’s a million tutorials online for something easy like that. And it will teach you things you’ll actually use.

 

[Kane One]

But to answer your question: no, it’s not at all the most fun job in the world. There’s a lot of politics, meetings, pressure, and whatnot. You aren’t just doing simple programming tasks, unless you want to permanently be a junior developer in a low-paying role.

The times I am able to get some moments to myself and actually code, then yes, it’s an awesome job and I’d call it fun. There’s just a f*** ton of time spent doing the bullshit that makes me hate this job.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Make a game if you want to learn how to be a game developer.

Make an actual useful program if you want a much more in-demand role. Make a to-do list app. There’s a million tutorials online for something easy like that. And it will teach you things you’ll actually use.

Well, the game is similar to Wordle but with numbers. It's not exactly GTA, lol. I'm looking to do it for fun and just to learn Python. That said that's good advice since I can try that too, thanks.

 

[sbjnyc]

Well, the game is similar to Wordle but with numbers. It's not exactly GTA, lol. I'm looking to do it for fun and just to learn Python. That said that's good advice since I can try that too, thanks.

Nerdle - the daily numbers game

Daily number challenge at nerdlegame.com

nerdlegame.com

 

[Chytilmania]

I have experience making a few websites. One of my mentors shared with me this online course to make a kick ass website, have it optimized etc all the stuff I don’t know about. Said it would save me a few $grand if I wanted to put the work in. Man this is time consuming! But it’s going to come out GREAT once I finish. My current website isn’t professional enough.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

What do people do in this situation?

I have a bunch of different opportunities that I'm excited about but they're dragging their feet I assume because of the holidays. Meanwhile an opportunity I'm not that excited about seems to be moving fast. Had an interview today and will have another one tomorrow. If I get an offer soon but the roles I'm more excited about would still be in early stages of the process, what should I do? I've previously forced a final round this way and got a second offer but I don't know if that will work all the time.

 

[CasusBelli]

What do people do in this situation?

I have a bunch of different opportunities that I'm excited about but they're dragging their feet I assume because of the holidays. Meanwhile an opportunity I'm not that excited about seems to be moving fast. Had an interview today and will have another one tomorrow. If I get an offer soon but the roles I'm more excited about would still be in early stages of the process, what should I do? I've previously forced a final round this way and got a second offer but I don't know if that will work all the time.

If they’re moving quickly this time of year, either they really like you and you have leverage in salary negotiations, or you quoted a salary expectation well below what they’re willing to pay. If you haven’t quoted them a salary target, use this as an opportunity to negotiate and prolong the process. Maybe that’ll give time for the other fellas to get back to you. But be careful: you might simply be the second choice for the other guys, who are negotiating with their first choice, so don’t push your luck either.

All this to say: it’s a good opportunity to try to get more cash. Just don’t be unreasonable.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If they’re moving quickly this time of year, either they really like you and you have leverage in salary negotiations, or you quoted a salary expectation well below what they’re willing to pay. If you haven’t quoted them a salary target, use this as an opportunity to negotiate and prolong the process. Maybe that’ll give time for the other fellas to get back to you. But be careful: you might simply be the second choice for the other guys, who are negotiating with their first choice, so don’t push your luck either.

All this to say: it’s a good opportunity to try to get more cash. Just don’t be unreasonable.

I'm working with an outside recruiter and she mentioned a salary that's in the advertised range. Better than no other options but it's also either my last choice or second to last choice. I'll text a recruiter tomorrow who is an external recruiter to see the progress.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

My wife and I have a spirited debate she said you can accept an offer and still recruit and if you get a better offer in a week go for the better offer. She said I don't owe loyalty to a company I've been at a week. I said it's unethical and you have to do the right thing. What do you guys think?

 

[Crease]

My wife and I have a spirited debate she said you can accept an offer and still recruit and if you get a better offer in a week go for the better offer. She said I don't owe loyalty to a company I've been at a week. I said it's unethical and you have to do the right thing. What do you guys think?

You should be on your wife’s team, not her employer’s, even if you disagree with her.

That said, I agree with her. Is it unethical? Maybe. But employers do unethical things all the time. If she’s not concerned about burning bridges, she should go for the better offer. She’s looking out for what’s best for the both of you.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You should be on your wife’s team, not her employer’s, even if you disagree with her.

That said, I agree with her. Is it unethical? Maybe. But employers do unethical things all the time. If she’s not concerned about burning bridges, she should go for the better offer. She’s looking out for what’s best for the both of you.

This is about my job search not hers.

 

[mrmovies779]

My wife and I have a spirited debate she said you can accept an offer and still recruit and if you get a better offer in a week go for the better offer. She said I don't owe loyalty to a company I've been at a week. I said it's unethical and you have to do the right thing. What do you guys think?

Happy wife,Happy life....until you become Al Bundy-and you're praying for the sweet release of death

 

[Kane One]

My wife and I have a spirited debate she said you can accept an offer and still recruit and if you get a better offer in a week go for the better offer. She said I don't owe loyalty to a company I've been at a week. I said it's unethical and you have to do the right thing. What do you guys think?

I agree with her only because it’s one week. It’s also a different story if someone in your network got you this one week job.

If you got it on your own, feel free to leave and don’t even put it on your resume. Make believe it never happened and move on.

Also you can think about it this way if you want to feel better: what’s better for a company, having to continue the hiring process after a delay because your choice to leave, or to hire someone, have them leave in 6 months, and then have to do this all over again? Your entire time there having you brought up to speed would have been a waste of money. Quitting now is a waste of less of their money.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I agree with her only because it’s one week. It’s also a different story if someone in your network got you this one week job.

If you got it on your own, feel free to leave and don’t even put it on your resume. Make believe it never happened and move on.

Also you can think about it this way if you want to feel better: what’s better for a company, having to continue the hiring process after a delay because your choice to leave, or to hire someone, have them leave in 6 months, and then have to do this all over again? Your entire time there having you brought up to speed would have been a waste of money. Quitting now is a waste of less of their money.

Interesting perspective. I feel like in the situations I've seen when someone left early the people at the company were pissed.

 

[CasusBelli]

My wife and I have a spirited debate she said you can accept an offer and still recruit and if you get a better offer in a week go for the better offer. She said I don't owe loyalty to a company I've been at a week. I said it's unethical and you have to do the right thing. What do you guys think?

I’d say it depends. For example: if you work in an industry where everyone knows each other (eg financial services in NY or green energy in the US), you want to keep your reputation pristine, people knowing that your commitment is your word and that your word is incorruptible. You could get black balled in the industry for a stunt like that (unless you have an incredible reputation as a moneymaker).

Unless you need a job yesterday — in which case survival and pragmatism before all else.

 

[NCRanger]

Here we go again. 2024 has probably been the worst year of my life.

Job I started in September comes to an end today. I was told a few days after Election Day. Wasn't even given 60 days to prove myself. Somehow it was my fault that they didn't have enough work for me to do, and it was also my fault the other business analyst wouldn't share her knowledge with me. I was supposed to pick up system knowledge on something I didn't have access to. Was also told that "you weren't the guy we interviewed". Today, I am the ONLY person in the office. I'm supposed to leave my laptop, access card, parking tag, and anything else in the cube, take a picture, and text it to the program manager/office manager. So, they trust me enough with all that, but not enough to keep working here.

Honestly though, I never felt like I fit in with this small start-up. Never felt comfortable. These people have been together for over a year and went through a private equity sale. I don't think they completely were onboard with a new person coming in when I did - hence the reluctance to share work and knowledge...yet I kept hearing the BA whine about not having help.

Not to mention, the day before Christmas, I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I guess that's what happens when you are so stressed and depressed about everything, you just struggle to get through the day. Christmas itself was just another day.

So, I just need a job - I'll take almost anything almost anywhere but sales. I just don't even care at this point.