Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] F Martin Necas re-signs with the Hurricanes (2 years, $6.5M AAV)

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[HabsAddict]

From the fact he isn't traded two things are likely. The Canes wanted far more then any team wanted to pay...and as likely Necas wanted serious money for long term.

He's good but the Habs are not going to talk about 9 million so trading for him is not viable. Suzuki sets the bar and Necas probably wants way more. Then of course the acquisition cost is going to be painful.

Oh well....

 

[bleedgreen]

The Canes may have turned down Mcgroarty, Perfetti, and a pick according Seravelli. Though it sounds like he may have just pulled that out of his ass.

That would have been a pretty massive package.

The quote I saw said it was a combo of those two and pick, not all of them. Likely just one of the players and a pick. Which makes sense as an offer as Perfetti has stalled a bit and McG has questionable skating and obviously isn’t signing. Together plus a pick is overpayment (the Canes might’ve still said no) but one and a pick makes a pretty standard offer but one that the Canes would’ve turned down. Also Necas might not have agreed to a contract with Winni.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If it was offered the only reason it wouldn't go through is if Necas refused to go to Winnipeg. Can't see Chevy making that offer though.

Necas couldn’t refuse to go anywhere. Even before this signing, he could be traded anywhere and had two years of team control.

 

[biturbo19]

I'm not entirely convinced he'll get traded at all (though it's still probably the most likely outcome). But he's been wanting more of an opportunity to be a primary offensive player, and this year he should get it.

A big season from him could change a lot for both parties. He's got the potential to score 70-80 points if given PP1 deployments. He brings an element of dynamism and instant offense that the Hurricanes really lack. He's the ideal guy who can carry weaker secondary offensive players behind a top line.

I think running something like the below could work out pretty well for Necas, especially if they find a spot for him on PP1 again:

Jarvis - Aho - Roslovic
Svechnikov - Drury/Kotkaniemi - Necas
Fast - Staal - Martinook
Carrier - Drury/Kotkaniemi - Robinson

They could even experiment with him at center again, see if he's able to find his game there.

Yeah. He's definitely got some intriguing "line driving" offensive catalyst type skillset elements that aren't in everyone's toolkit. His speed and style of play is more conducive than most to generating offense by pushing the pace and often leading the charge himself.

It makes him a bit of a unique player. Where there are some real flaws, but he is also still suited well in theory at least, to dominating secondary defensive matchups, and carrying more "passenger" type secondary scoring linemates. The fact Rod has basically refused to play him at center when the need for that is staring them right in the face though, doesn't speak kindly to his ability to anchor a quality 2nd line that way. Even if that sort of feels like the most natural way for him to anchor a 2nd line. A bit weird.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

From the fact he isn't traded two things are likely. The Canes wanted far more then any team wanted to pay...and as likely Necas wanted serious money for long term.

He's good but the Habs are not going to talk about 9 million so trading for him is not viable. Suzuki sets the bar and Necas probably wants way more. Then of course the acquisition cost is going to be painful.

Oh well....

You are actually missing the 3rd thing, which has been reported by a few insiders, and is most likely. Necas didn't want to sign long term with a team if traded. Whether it be because he didn't like the destination, or wanted to wait and see the fit, or didn't want to sign a long term deal after a down season, or whatever; there were numerous sources that stated he didn't want to even discuss an extension.

It's related to your statement that the Canes wanted more than another team would pay because, without a commitment to sign an extension, the return in a trade wasn't worth it for Carolina vs. just keeping him.

I don't blame him. You sign a 7 year deal now, at 25 years old, after coming off a poor season, you are locked into whatever team Carolina trades you to until you are 32 years old. Now, he gets to choose on his own in 2 years.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The quote I saw said it was a combo of those two and pick, not all of them. Likely just one of the players and a pick. Which makes sense as an offer as Perfetti has stalled a bit and McG has questionable skating and obviously isn’t signing. Together plus a pick is overpayment (the Canes might’ve still said no) but one and a pick makes a pretty standard offer but one that the Canes would’ve turned down. Also Necas might not have agreed to a contract with Winni.

You're probably right, but the quote from the article I read made it sound like it was a package.

"There was another deal on the table,” Seravalli said. “I believe it was Winnipeg. I think Winnipeg offered Rutger McGroarty, Cole Perfetti, and some pick"

 

[bleedgreen]

Yeah. He's definitely got some intriguing "line driving" offensive catalyst type skillset elements that aren't in everyone's toolkit. His speed and style of play is more conducive than most to generating offense by pushing the pace and often leading the charge himself.

It makes him a bit of a unique player. Where there are some real flaws, but he is also still suited well in theory at least, to dominating secondary defensive matchups, and carrying more "passenger" type secondary scoring linemates. The fact Rod has basically refused to play him at center when the need for that is staring them right in the face though, doesn't speak kindly to his ability to anchor a quality 2nd line that way. Even if that sort of feels like the most natural way for him to anchor a 2nd line. A bit weird.

I’m not sure what you mean about his lack of ability to anchor a quality second line.

He anchors and drives the second line all day long from the wing. That’s his thing. He gets a revolving door of centers like Drury/KK/washed Kuzy and all three defer to Necas and just give him the puck, he’s the “anchor”. He’s so good they get away with playing him with these guys, because it doesn’t matter who he plays with to some extent.

Presumably he’d get better with someone he clicks with.

 

[Henkka]

That's what I thought too.

Carolina wanted a best possible trade value, and that would have needed a long-term contract for Necas. But he refused to sign long-term for those teams (Jets & Sabres ?).

Then Carolina had to sign him short-term, and that put the trade value down vs. long-term commitment. Now it's more reasonable for Canes to keep the guy.

 

[biturbo19]

I’m not sure what you mean about his lack of ability to anchor a quality second line.

He anchors and drives the second line all day long from the wing. That’s his thing. He gets a revolving door of centers like Drury/KK/washed Kuzy and all three defer to Necas and just give him the puck, he’s the “anchor”. He’s so good they get away with playing him with these guys, because it doesn’t matter who he plays with to some extent.

Presumably he’d get better with someone he clicks with.

I was just saying, he can't seem to do it...or has been repeatedly denied the opportunity to do it from the Center position. Which is where you want a guy who is going to anchor that 2nd line. That's what you'd pay the money for. But that's not Necas. He's a winger.

 

[bleedgreen]

I was just saying, he can't seem to do it...or has been repeatedly denied the opportunity to do it from the Center position. Which is where you want a guy who is going to anchor that 2nd line. That's what you'd pay the money for. But that's not Necas. He's a winger.

Well when a guy is that good at driving, does it matter where he takes the face off? RBA is very particular about center. It took two years of Aho being dominant as a scoring center before RBA officially accepted it and stopped saying he wasn’t sure Aho was going to stay there. Two years. Aho isnt his type of center, Staal is. Trocheck. Drury is starting to get there. Strong on the puck, never hesitant to make the smart defensive play even when you’re carrying the puck into the offensive zone. Necas has a harder road than Aho ever did, in part because RBA didn’t have a choice with Aho. We were down centers so it was time to try it. There’s always been a different choice available during Necas’ time. We currently have six guys who can and have played center in the NHL and aren’t named Necas. RBA would play any of them before Marty. Not counting Martinook who’s been giving some time there in emergency situations.

 

[bleedgreen]

That's what I thought too.

Carolina wanted a best possible trade value, and that would have needed a long-term contract for Necas. But he refused to sign long-term for those teams (Jets & Sabres ?).

Then Carolina had to sign him short-term, and that put the trade value down vs. long-term commitment. Now it's more reasonable for Canes to keep the guy.

These are reasonable conclusions but everyone is missing the obvious reason why it’s short term. Arbitration. Necas wants control so he can leave if it doesn’t get better in two years. He doesn’t have any reason to go longer if his primary goal is control and everyone knows what the numbers were going to be in arbitration for AAV. I’d assume he and his agent refused any deal of any kind that took him past two years, and seeing as he was in the drivers seat at this point he got the short term he wanted. The team probably wanted two years vs one so they don’t have this hanging over them all season.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

These are reasonable conclusions but everyone is missing the obvious reason why it’s short term. Arbitration. Necas wants control so he can leave if it doesn’t get better in two years. He doesn’t have any reason to go longer if his primary goal is control and everyone knows what the numbers were going to be in arbitration for AAV. I’d assume he and his agent refused any deal of any kind that took him past two years, and seeing as he was in the drivers seat at this point he got the short term he wanted. The team probably wanted two years vs one so they don’t have this hanging over them all season.

Agreed. I don’t see how 1 year would have been better than 2 for the team. Longer than 2 was never going to happen based on where things are at right now.

The fact that Necas signed for two rather than 1, to me at least, means he’s willing to give some time to see if things will work out. Plus considering he vetoed signing long term with other teams tells us that he doesn’t want out so bad that he’s willing to go just anywhere.

I would LOVE to see Necas become our 2C but he needs to show he’s willing to do the things to be successful at that.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He's the ideal guy who can carry weaker secondary offensive players behind a top line.

I think running something like the below could work out pretty well for Necas, especially if they find a spot for him on PP1 again:

Jarvis - Aho - Roslovic
Svechnikov - Drury/Kotkaniemi - Necas
Fast - Staal - Martinook
Carrier - Drury/Kotkaniemi - Robinson

They could even experiment with him at center again, see if he's able to find his game there.

I think that’s overselling him slightly tbh. Necas never learned to use his linemates and that continues to be the limiting factor in his game, especially when we’re talking about whether he can hack it at center.

He doesn’t so much carry weaker offensive players, as completely ignore them and create chances that they might be able to capitalize on if they learn his tendencies. In some respects the Canes badly lack that kind of “fine, I’ll do it myself” quality, as you said earlier. On the other hand, we’re still waiting for Necas to hit that supposed PPG potential, largely because he has a very high volume of solo rushes that end in turnovers or stalemates.

Putting him on a line with Svechnikov creates the problem that there’s only one puck and not everyone can be the guy to shoot it.

 

[NotOpie]

We really need to break that foursome evenly across 2 lines if we hope to not be extremely shallow upfront. Something like:

XXX/Aho/Jarvis
Svechnikov/YYY/Necas

...where XXX and YYY are revolving slots until something clicks into a working line.

You've got to have size on any Aho/Jarvis line....even though both are "tougher" for smallish guys. That's why I think Guentzel/Aho/Jarvis worked. Jarvis in particular was willing to go to the dirty areas, dig the puck off the wall, play the body, etc. Unfortunately, once we got to the playoffs, it didn't work out nearly as well, hence Svech being moved to the 1st line. We needed size and physicality during the playoffs.

I think that if Kotkaniemi ends up as 2C, he actually provides the type of physical element that would allow for more of a scorer as the 2LW. It would be highly unlikely that one of the youngsters fills that role. I could also see somebody like Robinson making sense there as he's got speed to keep up with Necas and the size needed to help make space. He just hasn't proven the offensive chops for that role.

If I was constructing the top 2 lines right now, I'd have:

Svechnikov/Aho/Necas
XXX/Kotkaniemi/Jarvis

Unless something dramatic happens, the 2LW is going to be a competition in camp.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think that’s overselling him slightly tbh. Necas never learned to use his linemates and that continues to be the limiting factor in his game, especially when we’re talking about whether he can hack it at center.

He doesn’t so much carry weaker offensive players, as completely ignore them and create chances that they might be able to capitalize on if they learn his tendencies. In some respects the Canes badly lack that kind of “fine, I’ll do it myself” quality, as you said earlier. On the other hand, we’re still waiting for Necas to hit that supposed PPG potential, largely because he has a very high volume of solo rushes that end in turnovers or stalemates.

Putting him on a line with Svechnikov creates the problem that there’s only one puck and not everyone can be the guy to shoot it.

I don't completely disagree, it's definitely better said that he can make a line productive without great offensive players next to him, rather than him elevating them. He really just needs two guys who can get pucks out of the D zone and retrieve pucks on the forecheck, though having a strong finisher like Svechnikov is helpful as well.

But he definitely needs to be better at understanding when to play hero hockey vs when to defer to his teammates. It's such a rare and valuable asset, but it can quickly become a liability when the other team knows that's what you're going to do every time you pick up the puck in the neutral zone.

This was a problem I saw with Mackinnon earlier in his career, where he would get tunnel vision trying to beat 2-3 defenders on his own - many of his rushes ended with a giveaway or a low quality shot attempt, just like what we see with Necas. Sam Bennett had this problem at times in Calgary (when they wouldn't give him anyone to play with, and forced him to play as a bottom 6 winger).

But that problem seemed to go away for Mackninnon once Rantanen came on board. Rantanen's skillset made it clear that he was the type of guy whose skillset demanded the puck, and that if he had, Mackinnon would likely get it back in a better scoring position. Similarly, Bennett's game transformed once he was given capable linemates, though I don't know if we'll see the same transformation from Necas just by giving him some help

But if Necas could find that part of his game more consistently, I think his offensive output would explode.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't completely disagree, it's definitely better said that he can make a line productive without great offensive players next to him, rather than him elevating them. He really just needs two guys who can get pucks out of the D zone and retrieve pucks on the forecheck, though having a strong finisher like Svechnikov is helpful as well.

But he definitely needs to be better at understanding when to play hero hockey vs when to defer to his teammates. It's such a rare and valuable asset, but it can quickly become a liability when the other team knows that's what you're going to do every time you pick up the puck in the neutral zone.

This was a problem I saw with Mackinnon earlier in his career, where he would get tunnel vision trying to beat 2-3 defenders on his own - many of his rushes ended with a giveaway or a low quality shot attempt, just like what we see with Necas.

But that problem seemed to go away once Rantanen came on board. Rantanen's skillset made it clear that he was the type of guy whose skillset demanded the puck, and that if he had, Mackinnon would likely get it back in a better scoring position. If Necas could find that part of his game more consistently, I think his offensive output would explode.

On the rare occasion he can find someone to hang with him on a give and go it’s pretty spectacular. Aho can do it. He has some similarities to Skinner in that Skinner learned he was all by himself most of the time and that no one else was going to finish better than him so he just kept the puck. It seemed almost like the coaches encouraged it. Pretty similar with Necas, when no one caught up to him the first couple of years he slowed down at times….and it still mostly failed so unless he’s with Aho or sometimes Svech he just keeps it probably because he’s conditioned to do so. His linemates rarely take the space he wants them to in the way the play would work.

 

[biturbo19]

Well when a guy is that good at driving, does it matter where he takes the face off? RBA is very particular about center. It took two years of Aho being dominant as a scoring center before RBA officially accepted it and stopped saying he wasn’t sure Aho was going to stay there. Two years. Aho isnt his type of center, Staal is. Trocheck. Drury is starting to get there. Strong on the puck, never hesitant to make the smart defensive play even when you’re carrying the puck into the offensive zone. Necas has a harder road than Aho ever did, in part because RBA didn’t have a choice with Aho. We were down centers so it was time to try it. There’s always been a different choice available during Necas’ time. We currently have six guys who can and have played center in the NHL and aren’t named Necas. RBA would play any of them before Marty. Not counting Martinook who’s been giving some time there in emergency situations.

Who takes the faceoff is next to irrelevant. But it does matter a little bit, where the guy plays positionally. Centers are typically just so much more involved in the game at both ends of the ice and transition. It's just the nature of the role, that's better suited for the "line driver" to play there.

There are certainly plenty of exceptions, but typically...that's the more advantageous configuration. Where your best, "line driving" player is in the middle and just inherently handling the puck more all over the ice and being saddled with more two-way responsibility.