Confirmed with Link: [CAR/DAL] Rantanen to DAL, Stankoven, 1sts to CAR

[BadgerCane58]

DB is worthless, frankly. But I'm sure his family loves him and will care for him in his dotage. Kouli at least danced around the notion that Rants was tanking, talking about "body language" on the ice, but nobody bit.

Also, since the trade with COL, the language on Sirius about Necas has gone from "good player" to "a star, potential superstar." Amazing how his development jumped literally overnight!

Always remember when listening to national hockey media: these guys are starf***ers and know next to nothing about any team not in Canada or a major media market, beyond what's regarded as conventional wisdom.

And Kouli said he loves the Canes and is pulling for them.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

OK, i get it. I don't agree, still, but i see the logic. But as @Chrispy pointed out, jankowski was worth a fifth at less than half the cap and they are very similar. I looked it up earlier and when drury was traded he had 9 points in 39 games; jankowski was at 9 points in 41. (Edit - their games are about more than points, i just liked the parallel. Their all around games are similar imo.)

Oddly, i think the 28 first is actually more valuable. There aren't many actual perennial contenders, but dallas is one. I'm sure their 2026 first will be really late. I expect the same in 2028 but at least by then they might have to shed some guys due to cap they will need to use to lock some guys up. I haven't looked at their roster construction but maybe '28 dips a bit. Not likely, but a lot likelier than next year. I still expect the borg to trade a first or two over the next year, so it may be moot.

Carolina is definitely close to perennial contender status if they aren't already, considering that it's been six straight seasons that our team has won in the opening round.

 

[HydratedByStormBrew]

In an alternate universe, this is considered a masterclass by the Canes management. Trading Necas (1 year away from UFA) and Drury for a player you know who will not sign with you to a sign an trade with said players division rival for what amounts to Stankoven (organizational control), Hall, 2 1RPs, and 2 3RPs is brilliant tradecraft.

 

[Lempo]

In an alternate universe, this is considered a masterclass by the Canes management. Trading Necas (1 year away from UFA) and Drury for a player you know who will not sign with you to a sign an trade with said players division rival for what amounts to Stankoven (organizational control), Hall, 2 1RPs, and 2 3RPs is brilliant tradecraft.

They say, if you're smarter than everyone else, the wisest thing you can do is to never let anyone on to it.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

DB is worthless, frankly. But I'm sure his family loves him and will care for him in his dotage. Kouli at least danced around the notion that Rants was tanking, talking about "body language" on the ice, but nobody bit.

Also, since the trade with COL, the language on Sirius about Necas has gone from "good player" to "a star, potential superstar." Amazing how his development jumped literally overnight!

Always remember when listening to national hockey media: these guys are starf***ers and know next to nothing about any team not in Canada or a major media market, beyond what's regarded as conventional wisdom.

It's truly amazing how quickly Necas turned into a superstar or budding superstar ever since he was traded as if we didn't hear endlessly about the "lack of oomph" on the team for the last 4 years.

 

[CandyCanes]

It's truly amazing how quickly Necas turned into a superstar or budding superstar ever since he was traded as if we didn't hear endlessly about the "lack of oomph" on the team for the last 4 years.

I mean we still have Canes fans questioning it right now. I personally think Necas is a budding superstar as of this season. He's going to put up 90-110pts every year in Colorado. He would probably be putting up 80-90 every year in Carolina.

 

[Chrispy]

I mean we still have Canes fans questioning it right now. I personally think Necas is a budding superstar as of this season. He's going to put up 90-110pts every year in Colorado. He would probably be putting up 80-90 every year in Carolina.

If the Canes could keep him.

I think they believed Necas was out the door for a style that better suited him in 2026, so they wanted to get something for him. And considering they were dealing a player with 1+ years of team control and no ability to negotiate before the summer, I think they got pretty good value.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah it's probably not a matter of whether we should've kept him or traded him. He intentionally signed a deal that walked him right up to UFA at the end of next year, with the goal of being traded. What he "could've been" here is probably a moot point because he wasn't going to be here beyond next season regardless.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I mean we still have Canes fans questioning it right now. I personally think Necas is a budding superstar as of this season. He's going to put up 90-110pts every year in Colorado. He would probably be putting up 80-90 every year in Carolina.

Agreed. However, in his first 5 seasons with us, the closest he got was 71 points, and the next closest was 55. We absolutely sold high, and there is no guarantee that Necas's 2024-2025 year will be his career average from here on out. It could be a career high. It's very likely he will score more points with Mackinnon, but he also will probably make more defensive errors there as well. Time will tell.

At the same point, we bought low on Stankoven. It's absolutely possible Stank will be a top line talent. If the roles were reversed and Carolina dealt two 1sts and Stank, I'm sure many NHL fans would lament our team for giving up on its youngest most prized asset.

I also agree with the poster that said the 2028 1st is more valuable than the 2026. I don't think our GM operates with a "deal with tomorrow tomorrow" mindset and I don't think he considers future draft picks as lower assets. If anything, the variability in the NHL makes it more likely that Dallas's 2028 is a better pick. Hell, it's possible the 2026 is a good pick. We never know. I would have never guessed New Jersey could miss the playoffs, nor could I have guessed that Washington would be the best team in the league, basically. With Dallas re-signing Rananen, they probably lose Duchene, Benn, Granlund, Dadonov, and Ceci. They'll have to go near league minimum on a defender and 4 forwards to have a 12F/6D/2G roster. With some Tampa-esque maneuvering they can make it work for years, but it is precarious.

 

[ONO94]

I only wish the best for Necas and that he scores over 100 next year and gets a 8 year/$14 mill contract from someone not named the Canes....

 

[baconandbread]

Yeah it's probably not a matter of whether we should've kept him or traded him. He intentionally signed a deal that walked him right up to UFA at the end of next year, with the goal of being traded. What he "could've been" here is probably a moot point because he wasn't going to be here beyond next season regardless.

It's weird to me that so many people (especially hockey analysts) instantly forget there were so many scenarios with his contract and our front office acted on that as the situation changed. Like if had we signed Guentzel, we would have had to move him then getting back a first at best. His current contract was done intentionally so we could move him.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

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