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Joe McGrath
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I don’t think so. Too big of wildcards I guess? If you wanted to end it one way or another Orlov would be a great choice.
Hopefully jarvy is not going to be a walking wounded like last year. But, since it’s a UBI you have to worry that he re-injured his shoulder again.
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Well, as you pointed out earlier, goalscoring ability doesn’t always translate to the shootout.
We are terrible in the shootout. We have been for many, many years. RBA has said he doesn’t see the value in practicing them and it’s obvious in some of the attempts we’ve had over the years, the players have zero confidence in them as well.
Now whether that’s some to worry about or not is a different matter, but it has likely cost us a few games over the years.
Yeah, I can see that. And Orlov definitely had a few questionable moments this game. But so did Ghost, and he was out there problem.
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Pyotr Kochetkov Exits Game With Apparent Injury
The 25-year-old netminder was a victim of friendly fire in overtime against the Columbus Blue Jackets.- RYAN HENKEL
- As if things couldn't get any worse for the Carolina Hurricanes in regards to their current goaltending situation, goalie Pyotr Kochetkov left Saturday night's game against the Columbus Blue Jackets early after getting blown up by his own defenseman Sean Walker.
Nearly three minutes into overtime of the 4-4 game, Kochetkov came out to challenge a puck as Zach Werenski and Walker bore down on him and the Russian netminder was unable to get out of the way.
Walker's backside made direct and forceful contact with Kochetkov's head and the goalie stayed down on the ice not moving for a good while.
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Its hard to argue with Rod that there is little value in practicing the shootout. Its game #20 and this is the first one. You get maybe 1full practice a week during the season? It’s just not worth it.
Edit: And since Rod took over they are 18-14 in the shootout. 7th in the league % wise.
14 shootout losses (maybe 15 now). So 14 or 15 dropped points in 7 seasons? 2 points a year? Very very insignificant.
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Just to put an exclamation point on this: the Hurricanes have now been in 33 shootouts since Rod Brind’amour became the coach. They have won 38 playoff games in that time.
Shootouts. Don’t. Mean. Shit.
Shootouts. Don’t. Mean. Shit.
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Kochetkov getting injured obviously sucks, but the real victim here is Martin. He's gonna get have to take credit for the loss, even though he only played about 2 minutes, saved the only shot he faced, then got zero run support in the shootout.
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Wasn’t it Murphy who had a similar situation a few years ago, a loss in a game he had a 1.00 save percentage in?
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Here's the background on that.
Murphy came into the game with the Canes down 6-3. Then E. Staal scored for Carolina, making it 6-4. With under 2 minutes remaining, Muller pulled the goalie and Iginla scored for Calgary into the empty net making it 7-4.
Muller put Murphy back in net and then LaRose and E. Staal scored making it 7-6, which was the final score.
Since Iginla's empty net goal was the "game winning goal" and Murphy was the goalie of record at the time, he got credited for the loss even though he made 2 saves on 2 shots (IIRC) for a perfect save %.
Murphy came into the game with the Canes down 6-3. Then E. Staal scored for Carolina, making it 6-4. With under 2 minutes remaining, Muller pulled the goalie and Iginla scored for Calgary into the empty net making it 7-4.
Muller put Murphy back in net and then LaRose and E. Staal scored making it 7-6, which was the final score.
Since Iginla's empty net goal was the "game winning goal" and Murphy was the goalie of record at the time, he got credited for the loss even though he made 2 saves on 2 shots (IIRC) for a perfect save %.
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PK was out cold and twitching a bit, did not look great. definitely a concussion at minimum.
PK was out cold and twitching a bit, did not look great. definitely a concussion at minimum.
Not quite apples to apples but there might be a correlation between sucking in shootouts and sucking on breakaways. Though many breakaways do seem to involve the hands of stone line.
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For all the talk about Freddie's health (which is deserved), I'm concerned with relying on Pyotr to stay healthy. Some may say that it was a fluke, but how he plays is a big part of the reason for his injuries to occur. Even that play last night, there was no good reason for him to make the move he did. Walker was riding Werenski wide and behind the net, so going aggressively for a poke check and putting himself right in the way of two players skating full speed was not a smart move.
I get that he likes to be aggressive and I hope he's ok and returns soon. As we've discussed in the past, he needs to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be if we are to count on him being "the guy". Right now, his default is to always be aggressive.
I get that he likes to be aggressive and I hope he's ok and returns soon. As we've discussed in the past, he needs to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be if we are to count on him being "the guy". Right now, his default is to always be aggressive.
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I was coming to post about being annoyed that Koochie got himself hurt again, and there was no good reason for it. His aggression can be his biggest enemy because he doesn’t know when to pick and choose his moments. Let Werenski get around the net.
I’m torn on the shootout practice topic. I liked that they used to end practice with it because it gave them a chance to try things and it seemed like good team building. If because of our goaltending issues we end up fighting for a playoff spot every point will count and giving away say six point is of course an issue. I think it’s an anomaly we haven’t had more and I’m sure we’ll go through a stretch of them. Didn’t we lose like 11 one year and it would’ve made a difference in the seasons outcome? I’m forgetting.
At the same time I think there’s a fair point in saying we need to work on things we do more often in practice.
OTOH, if you are willing to be aggressive in OT with Aho/Necas/Ghost you are less likely to go to shootout. For better or worse.
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I agree in theory that practicing shootouts won't likely make a meaningful difference on a season. But it's also practicing on breakaways, which we are horrendous at, and that HAS cost us numerous goals and potentially games because we miss our on prime scoring opportunities.
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Maybe, but breakaways and shootouts are two totally different animals. Practicing a shootout can't simulate a breakaway in a game.
Secondly, It can't have cost us many games.
Since 21-22 season, the Canes have the fewest losses (reg. and OT) in the NHL with 94 (Boston is 2nd with 95). The Canes have the 2nd fewest regulation losses at 69 to Boston's 67.
Attributing 1 aspect of a game to costing losses when we have the fewest losses of any NHL team doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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bleedgreen
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In the moment I was hoping he was playing it up for a call, maybe not realizing it was his own players ass that clocked him. He is prone to dramatics at times. Watching him get lead off the ice would’ve required some real commitment to the role though. Wouldn’t shock me either way.
