Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
I always thought the way the Modano situation was handled was a farce. I guess it's to his credit he stayed classy about it.
I don't think Trevor Linden had any choice but to offer the "C" to Messier. The fact that Messier accepted it speaks volumes about his supposed "leadership".
Mark Messier is one of the all-time greats, but his behaviour in Vancouver was a disgrace. Every time I hear about this "Mark Messier Leadership Award", I want to puke.
Look, I understand Linden is a cult-hero in Vancouver [ ... ] third-line player
greatest leader in hockey history
Bure's holdout, Mogilny's disinterested play, Kirk MacLean's fall from grace
[ ... ] got Vancouver Bertuzzi [ ... ] indirectly, the Sedins [ ... ] Bertuzzi ended up bringing back Luongo. A solid argument could be made that 'driving' Linden out of town was the best thing that ever happened to the Canucks
Linden ain't Jesus
The four horsemen of the apocalypse gangbanged each other and conceived a child they named Rob Blake. He stripped himself of the Kings' captaincy because his father, Satan, told him to hold out for more money. Damien, er, Rob continues to plague the Kings to this very day.
Linden said he felt he didn't have a choice because if things went wrong and he didn't give it up he would be blamed. To me that kind of reasoning reeks of a weak leader.
I always thought the way the Modano situation was handled was a farce. I guess it's to his credit he stayed classy about it.
I was completely flabbergasted and pissed off to be quite honest with you. I mean, how rude. He is a franchise player who has given his all to his team. It was like somebody didn't want to lose their job -- nobody wants to lose their job. "Let's just blame it on this and maybe this will fix it." Clearly, that didn't fix it.
I think the staff and the GM [Doug Armstrong] have a different idea of what a captain should be. They think a captain should be yelling at their team. They think a captain should be absolutely as verbal as possible. I know from running a household with Mike how he can be quiet; but when he says something, it can be very powerful.
Sakic offered the C to Ray Bourque after 2000 season. He was no weak leader. Neither was Linden.
15 consecutive losing seasons (1976-91 - worst all-time in the NHL and just one short of the all-time record in all North American pro sports) and no Stanley Cups... what else is there?Do Nucks fans have to hold decade old grudges to be a good fan of the team?
GET OVER IT ALREADY!!
is this some kind of bait? if you mean that linden was a third-liner his last seasons with vancouver, when he was old, way off his prime and his game had fallen off the pin after some disillusional years with the islanders, canadiens and capitals, then ok so be it ... but in his prime, 1988-96, he was way better than that and everyone old enough to remember the 1994 stanley cup playoffs knows it's a fact
blame it on the boogie
trades for picks and tricks are made under the premises of current situations. with this logic you can make a solid argument for everything. and if it actually was the best thing that ever happened the canucks then i only have one question ... where's the cup? haven't seen it around
and he had a much more graceful skating style. everytime i see messier skate on old tapes it reminds me of a low positioned horse on rollerblades
Linden scored 80 points as 26 year-old, capping off an eight-year run as offensive producer. After that, he never did better than 19-goals or 47-points (only breaking 40 points three times in total). That's 11 seasons of his 19-year career was a low-to-mediocre offensive performer (or 10, really, as 47 on a weak NYI team was pretty good). I would say the term 'second/third-liner' is very apt. And don't blame his decline on injuries or age; Linden was the NHL's iron-man during that 80-point campaign and was only twenty-six.
He was no Mark Messier.
Linden begat Bertuzzi who begat Luongo. Linden [ ...] begat McCabe who begat [ ... ] the Sedins.
15 consecutive losing seasons (1976-91 - worst all-time in the NHL and just one short of the all-time record in all North American pro sports) and no Stanley Cups... what else is there?
http://www.getlisty.com/preview/sports-worst-losing-streaks/
Hmmmmmmmmm.................Messier going to the Canucks just a few years after he beat you in the Finals
But really, some Nucks fans(one in particular) hold a serious grudge against Messier for no apparent reason.
Craig Conroy was relieved of the captaincy in favor or Jarome Iginla for the Flames.
the decline obviously starts when he's kicked out off the team by a sleazy management blinded by an old low positioned skating horse on rollerblades
thank you god for that
begat ... is that shakespeare?
that one bad experience
'Linden was a better player than Messier'. [ ... ] You don't think that Linden was a better player than Messier, do you?
Biblical. I'm continuing a theme here; Messiahs, Jesus, Judas, Begat
If you surveyed 100 hockey pundits, I doubt you would any that would agree that between Messier and Linden "talent wise there wasn't much of a difference".i haven't really said that linden was a better player than messier, although talent wise there wasn't much of a difference. messier played all his best years in edmonton with wayne gretzky, jari kurri, paul coffey and then in new york with brian leetch, alexei kovalev, steve larmer and the like when the nhl was in its most offensive period which sky rocketed his stats to cocobello levels like a bernie nicholls 70+80 150 season ...
the one thing that differs is personality, style, soul, love, something that goes beyond simple results. something that makes you stick with it through thick and thin ... it's very easy to like trevor
as easy as it is to dislike his opposite![]()
But, let's really look at this; you have a career second/third-line player who gave up the Captaincy to a six-time Stanley Cup winner, two-time Stanley Cup Captain, 600+ goal-scorer, greatest leader in hockey history, and basically living legend in skates.
There was a huge difference regardless of the supporting cast.
I was unaware that talented players had to play "clean".messier scored 50 goals blank in one of his 80 000 nhl seasons ... that's despite the fact that he played on the probably most loaded nhl team ever offensively, a pp with gretzky, kurri, coffey ...
where's that huge difference?
for example, pavel bure scored back to back 59 and 58 goals with viktor kozlov, marcus nilson, ivan novoseltsev, robert svehla and paul laus on the pp... that's what i call a huge difference
linden was a clean player on the ice, messier was close to a scum