IafrateOvie34
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I doubt we'll ever see a player as durable as Ovy ever again.
It’s such a bizarre stance that seemed to pop up after they celebrated 802. It’s beyond my comprehension that people are diminishing Ovi’s record; it’s more likely this team wins a Stanley Cup before we ever see someone get this close (and hopefully pass) Gretzky again and poo pooing the accomplishment — and accusing the team of priortizing it over winning which again makes zero sense at all — is wild.The crux of it appears to be... they haven't fixed it all RIGHT NOW. Therefore they're not going to fix anything. Therefore, they must be trying to gaslight us fans by focusing on Ovi's chase... which posters also now seem to believe is unspecial and will be duplicated by the two flavors of the day in short order.
McDavid is 26 and 84 days and has 301 goals. Ovy was 26 and 27 days when he hit 302. So 57+ days behind the curve.
Matthews has 297 and is 25 and 202 days, will likely hit 302 at a younger age than McDavid.
McDavid is 26 and 84 days and has 301 goals. Ovy was 26 and 27 days when he hit 302. So 57+ days behind the curve.
Matthews has 297 and is 25 and 202 days, will likely hit 302 at a younger age than McDavid.
Yep. Also, there's no reason to think that if Ovi reaches 895 and is still enjoying playing that he's just gonna hang 'em up right then. Why not become the only player to 900... or beyond?It’s such a bizarre stance that seemed to pop up after they celebrated 802. It’s beyond my comprehension that people are diminishing Ovi’s record; it’s more likely this team wins a Stanley Cup before we ever see someone get this close (and hopefully pass) Gretzky again and poo pooing the accomplishment — and accusing the team of priortizing it over winning which again makes zero sense at all — is wild.
I mean, taking a step back, it’s really a question of how you look at life. Do you appreciate what’s been accomplished or only focus on what you failed to accomplish? As I see it, when Ovi hangs them up we may have gotten to see in a 20 year span a Stanley Cup, qualifying for the playoffs 17 times or so in those 20 seasons, multiple Presidents Trophies, and our homegrown star player break what was thought to be an unbreakable record. Not terrible.
I didn’t say he was going to do it. I said he has a chance. You said he has no chance at 800. How you could possibly know that is beyond me.
Actually, a lot of what you post is beyond me.
In the ESPN special, Gretzky himself says exactly this. He says "Scoring 800 goals is really hard. It was hard for Gordie. It was hard for me. If it was easy everyone would do it." If either McD or Matthews hit 700, then we can talk about what's possible.Yeah, but McDavid has 0.49 goals per game up until last season, Ovi still has 0.61. Matthews has a similar gpg as Ovi up until last season. But the thing with Ovi is you have to play a large number of games whilst scoring about 50 goals per year on average. 16 seasons of averaging 50 goals per game to get to 800. And i highly doubt Matthews or McDavid is going to have that health and that consistency. There's a reason only three people in league history has even gotten close.
Yep. Also, there's no reason to think that if Ovi reaches 895 and is still enjoying playing that he's just gonna hang 'em up right then. Why not become the only player to 900... or beyond?
Probably bad for the team or something.Yep. Also, there's no reason to think that if Ovi reaches 895 and is still enjoying playing that he's just gonna hang 'em up right then. Why not become the only player to 900... or beyond?
McDavid is 26 and 84 days and has 301 goals. Ovy was 26 and 27 days when he hit 302. So 57+ days behind the curve.
Matthews has 297 and is 25 and 202 days, will likely hit 302 at a younger age than McDavid.
McDavid is 26 and 84 days and has 301 goals. Ovy was 26 and 27 days when he hit 302. So 57+ days behind the curve.
Matthews has 297 and is 25 and 202 days, will likely hit 302 at a younger age than McDavid.
In the ESPN special, Gretzky himself says exactly this. He says "Scoring 800 goals is really hard. It was hard for Gordie. It was hard for me. If it was easy everyone would do it." If either McD or Matthews hit 700, then we can talk about what's possible.
It was clear several years ago that Ovi was going to challenge Gretzky. Certainly in 2018-19 that was clear - and to me that was the year in which the core of the Cup winning team rightfully deserved a shot at seeing what they could do in the playoffs with the momentum of that win.in. The only thing I can think of is people interpreting them not doing a full tear down while Ovi is still playing as prioritizing Ovi scoring over winning. If that’s not your take please tell me how a skill drop off in the team helps Ovi but hurts the team. Tell me how players aging around him and regressing helps him but hurts the team. Making the team better helps Ovi and helps the organization try to compete and win. I fundamentally don’t understand how making the team worse helps Ovechkin catch Gretzky so I really want to hear about the moves the team is making to prioritize Ovi scoring over winning. Explain it to me like I’m five because these takes make zero sense.
The first half of this is a plausible reading of my views as articulated by me after a few beers, so fair enough.The crux of it appears to be... they haven't fixed it all RIGHT NOW. Therefore they're not going to fix anything. Therefore, they must be trying to gaslight us fans by focusing on Ovi's chase... which posters also now seem to believe is unspecial and will be duplicated by the two flavors of the day in short order.
And here I thought it was about games played.McDavid is 26 and 84 days and has 301 goals. Ovy was 26 and 27 days when he hit 302. So 57+ days behind the curve.
Matthews has 297 and is 25 and 202 days, will likely hit 302 at a younger age than McDavid.
It was an Op Ed. That should be clear? At least I think it wasThis is such an odd take that’s really grounded in nothing. Please give me examples as to how the team is building around only wanting to get Ovi the record and not wanting to win. The front office has said they made a commitment to Ovi not to do a full rebuild while he’s still playing — is that what you’re referring to?
Otherwise I’m perplexed when people think the team is somehow making moves to let Ovi score more at the expense of trying to win. The only thing I can think of is people interpreting them not doing a full tear down while Ovi is still playing as prioritizing Ovi scoring over winning. If that’s not your take please tell me how a skill drop off in the team helps Ovi but hurts the team. Tell me how players aging around him and regressing helps him but hurts the team. Making the team better helps Ovi and helps the organization try to compete and win. I fundamentally don’t understand how making the team worse helps Ovechkin catch Gretzky so I really want to hear about the moves the team is making to prioritize Ovi scoring over winning. Explain it to me like I’m five because these takes make zero sense.
He won’t end at 895 unless injury or some crazy trauma. 900 is not the number. It’s 1000. That’s the dreamy for meI said it before…the ONLY member of the 900 goal club sounds dreamy.
Exit, stage Left?This whole threadjack about Matthews and McDavid is main-board level ridiculous. This place has gone nuts. One bad season and our posters lose their damn minds. Come the post-Ovie years, this entire board is gonna be padded room.
He won’t end at 895 unless injury or some crazy trauma. 900 is not the number. It’s 1000. That’s the dreamy for me
It's 105 past the record. not unthinkable. if he maintains a 40 goal pace from here for the next 4-5 years...Can pretty much guarantee that won’t happen, but it’s nice to dream.