Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2024-25 Summer Edition

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I could see it. If the youngn's are as good as we hope and they're one difference-maker away from being competitive... What's the alternative? Tank for a hope at the risk of sucking for a decade and maybe wasting Lenny/Hutson/Cristall's cheap years? If they have cap room, which they should post-Ovie/Carly, why not pay up for the last big piece?

I'm not saying that's how it will go, but I can envision the path.

They clearly do not want to go full rebuild unless they have no other choice. They totally lucked into a top-10 all time great, but it's SO risky. You more likely end up as the next Buffalo/Chicago/San Jose than as Pittsburgh circa 2006.
GMCP and BM both have said this in their summer press conference. They said trying to tank and hope you get a generational player hasn’t worked out for many franchises. I’d wager they don’t tear it down to the studs and instead try to build around the upcoming core with a large acquisition.
 
I could see it. If the youngn's are as good as we hope and they're one difference-maker away from being competitive... What's the alternative? Tank for a hope at the risk of sucking for a decade and maybe wasting Lenny/Hutson/Cristall's cheap years? If they have cap room, which they should post-Ovie/Carly, why not pay up for the last big piece?

I'm not saying that's how it will go, but I can envision the path.

They clearly do not want to go full rebuild unless they have no other choice. They totally lucked into a top-10 all time great, but it's SO risky. You more likely end up as the next Buffalo/Chicago/San Jose than as Pittsburgh circa 2006.


I don't know, man. If you're unexpectedly this close to contention with Ovie in his final years, you have to do whatever it takes to maximize that. I'm not arguing for selling the farm, but if there's an upgrade to be made, you make it and seize the moment.
The upgrade the team at the deadline for Ovi failed at 90%+ rate over his career. The one year we won the cup we didn't "upgrade". We added a couple random depth pieces for security that cost us basically nothing. What makes everyone think trading away valuable assets and draft capital to upgrade a team that's already performing this well is a good move? Look how many teams do it every year and how many it ends up not working out for. It's just not smart asset management unless you need an extra push to get into the playoffs and this team does not.
 
The upgrade the team at the deadline for Ovi failed at 90%+ rate over his career. The one year we won the cup we didn't "upgrade". We added a couple random depth pieces for security that cost us basically nothing. What makes everyone think trading away valuable assets and draft capital to upgrade a team that's already performing this well is a good move? Look how many teams do it every year and how many it ends up not working out for. It's just not smart asset management unless you need an extra push to get into the playoffs and this team does not.
I guess it depends how you define "upgrade." Adding big-name guys who don't you make better, in my opinion, isn't upgrading. But our front office has shown savant-like ability to improve the team with the right additions that don't empty the cupboard. Not sure why you are so confident that they can't do that now. And BTW, if they do nothing, I will conclude that they felt standing pat was best. But if they can actually upgrade the team, they will.

EDIT: Having said all of that, I'm a firm believer that solving problems internally is better than buying a solution. So if they can, say, get Lappy back on track and/or have Miro ready to make a difference, plus Lenny and maybe another youngster, then great.
 
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I’m not really excited about Laughton, but he would probably be their best bottom 6 forward as the lines are currently constructed (Eller grades out as their 2nd worst forward behind Duhaime according to Dom’s model). I think a top 6 add would be more beneficial but Laughton would still objectively be a big addition to the bottom 6 and is a very good 3rd liner.
 
I could see it. If the youngn's are as good as we hope and they're one difference-maker away from being competitive... What's the alternative? Tank for a hope at the risk of sucking for a decade and maybe wasting Lenny/Hutson/Cristall's cheap years? If they have cap room, which they should post-Ovie/Carly, why not pay up for the last big piece?

I'm not saying that's how it will go, but I can envision the path.

They clearly do not want to go full rebuild unless they have no other choice. They totally lucked into a top-10 all time great, but it's SO risky. You more likely end up as the next Buffalo/Chicago/San Jose than as Pittsburgh circa 2006.
The options include continuing to draft and develop, and insert smart lower cost UFAs or trade adds (talking less than $10 mil a year Superstar level contracts). Blowing it up isn’t even an option any more IMO. Too much farm depth.
 
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The options include continuing to draft and develop, and insert smart lower cost UFAs or trade adds (talking less than $10 mil a year Superstar level contracts). Blowing it up isn’t even an option any more IMO. Too much farm depth.
I don't disagree. Today's NHL game is less superstar-driven than ever in my memory (which I think is presenting a big marketing challenge for the league, but that's a whole other conversation). But with the cap going up like crazy right now, $10M for one key guy isn't even gonna be that much.

Either way though, this front office will keep doing what they do, which is build a team smart, whatever that means for any given roster spot or player. And I'll trust the choices they make until they prove wrong.
 
The upgrade the team at the deadline for Ovi failed at 90%+ rate over his career. The one year we won the cup we didn't "upgrade". We added a couple random depth pieces for security that cost us basically nothing. What makes everyone think trading away valuable assets and draft capital to upgrade a team that's already performing this well is a good move? Look how many teams do it every year and how many it ends up not working out for. It's just not smart asset management unless you need an extra push to get into the playoffs and this team does not.
If there’s a 10% chance the guy you acquire for a 3rd round pick for a playoff run, that’s a fair deal, not too much higher chance for a 2nd. Basically every cup winner fine tunes their roster down the stretch, Panthers were a wagon last year and added Tarasenko because they could.
 
Just Add. Seems pretty simple.

OF COURSE it may not work out. It only ever does for One Freaking Team!!!! 10-12 make moves and only one works, right?

So NO SHIT it’s a 90% fail rate? Just DO the Math.

But they need to try. This isn’t a “normal” rebuild year. If you think so, then I dont know what to tell you.
 
Just Add. Seems pretty simple.

OF COURSE it may not work out. It only ever does for One Freaking Team!!!! 10-12 make moves and only one works, right?

So NO SHIT it’s a 90% fail rate? Just DO the Math.

But they need to try. This isn’t a “normal” rebuild year. If you think so, then I dont know what to tell you.
2018 was an amazing run with minimal additions at the TDL. Everyone mocked those deals at the time IIRC. Without looking, I’d venture that the 2018 team is a bit of an outlier in terms of in season additions to a Stanley cup winner
 
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Just Add. Seems pretty simple.

OF COURSE it may not work out. It only ever does for One Freaking Team!!!! 10-12 make moves and only one works, right?

So NO SHIT it’s a 90% fail rate? Just DO the Math.

But they need to try. This isn’t a “normal” rebuild year. If you think so, then I dont know what to tell you.
Right... I'm m asking you to do the math, I already did it, that's why I posted it. lol

They need to add a 3rd line tweener 4th line player to push Frank and Raddysh and get some insurance in case Alexeyev gets forced into action (God forbid). Don't overthink it with some giant stupid move to destroy the pipeline we've so quickly rebuilt and the chemistry this team has.
 
They don't have to destroy the pipeline if they only deal their first rounder.

I know it's odd to think about but they have a real shot this year. Their main roster weakness isn't that they lack a good third line player, it's that their top 6 isn't as good as other top 6s among contenders.

Maybe a deal doesn't materialize for a top 6 player but that's where they should be looking.
 
We probably need to move a roster player. We can send Jake through waivers but that is for Milano. so then you have 2.6m of cap space. And you need to move a roster player and cap. Or take 50% retained up to 5.2M. There is room to add another but roster spots will be a problem.
 
The upgrade the team at the deadline for Ovi failed at 90%+ rate over his career. The one year we won the cup we didn't "upgrade". We added a couple random depth pieces for security that cost us basically nothing. What makes everyone think trading away valuable assets and draft capital to upgrade a team that's already performing this well is a good move? Look how many teams do it every year and how many it ends up not working out for. It's just not smart asset management unless you need an extra push to get into the playoffs and this team does not.
2018 was an amazing run with minimal additions at the TDL. Everyone mocked those deals at the time IIRC. Without looking, I’d venture that the 2018 team is a bit of an outlier in terms of in season additions to a Stanley cup winner
Kempny was a 4d. That's not a minimal acquisition IMO ...
 
Right... I'm m asking you to do the math, I already did it, that's why I posted it. lol

They need to add a 3rd line tweener 4th line player to push Frank and Raddysh and get some insurance in case Alexeyev gets forced into action (God forbid). Don't overthink it with some giant stupid move to destroy the pipeline we've so quickly rebuilt and the chemistry this team has.
Why does getting a top 6F have to be “some giant stupid move”, again?

Is that what we do here, under Prez BM? Giant stupid moves?

Or is this you trying for clickbait?

Come on man
 
We are looking for good value because we don’t need to trade.
After the Rantanen trade I'm not sure I'd agree. They're not desperate but realistically there should be urgency to add. What if they fizzle out? Would they respond by merely integrating more youth next season? They're on a fine track in the bigger picture. They've added a lot of stability recently but promise in itself doesn't put teams over the top. They may not find themselves in as strong of a position given what should be an overall easier opening round opponent and then the East generally not being amazing.

They can't afford to rely on Leonard being the finalizing piece. The perfect add may or may not be available. The list of available finalizing pieces isn't a long one. The vast majority of names floating around seem well short of that. Seven years later I don't think 2018 is overly instructive. This is a different group...one in some ways lacking some of the first-hand hard lessons of past defeats. The leadership group is largely the same but not everyone has lived it.

How much more can Ovechkin and Carlson offer at their age in such key roles? How much more can Strome and McMichael give? Dylan Strome turns 28 shortly and has all of 13 games of NHL playoff experience. The first nine were in the COVID bubble. The guy has yet to win a single playoff game in front of fans. Much of that may be beyond him but...they do need another weapon up front to like their chances. At the very least someone like Donato adds a bit more offensive substance and punch to the Eller line. At the very least. Someone like Laughton could perhaps be useful but is definitely not a finalizing piece IMO.

It's not going to be easy finding a cerebral skilled finalizer that individually solidifies their 5v5 game and makes some in their top six more dangerous. For that it rightly should be an expensive piece to acquire. But it's hard to imagine the front office isn't aware of the demands of the task ahead and some of their limitations. The core group gets it from a leadership perspective but their elevation potential realistically has to be in some doubt. They need someone that enhances that ceiling and can be another key contributor.
 
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They can't afford to rely on Leonard being the finalizing piece. The perfect add may or may not be available. The list of available finalizing pieces isn't a long one. The vast majority of names floating around seem well short of that. Seven years later I don't think 2018 is overly instructive. This is a different group...one in some ways lacking some of the first-hand hard lessons of past defeats. The leadership group is largely the same but not everyone has lived it.
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This is the conundrum. Leonard has shined at all levels, including WJC and the Caps' development camps. But he's untested/unproven against NHL-level pros. One positive is that Lenny costs nothing to acquire, other than a contract. Of the external possible adds, which if any offer better odds of fitting in and making the team better? Acquisition costs shouldn't be outrageous for a pending UFA like Evans or Donato. I'd prefer someone with term but the cost for that player will be higher. At least the Caps have assets they can exchange.
I'm betting the answer is both - sign Lenny, and bring in a reliable forward to push some of the bottom 6 down a level. Hoping the Caps' brain trust can figure this out.
 
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Again, one additional factor in their favor perhaps is that the vast majority of contenders have already traded away their 2025 first round picks. Really only Washington, Winnipeg and Carolina still have theirs. That's assuming teams value those picks at typical levels, which may or may not be the case in what seems like a down year. Overall I think Washington should be the best positioned team heading into the deadline to do something bold. They have the assets and should have the urgency.

I keep coming back to O'Reilly and the intangibles, the insurance he'd offer should Strome struggle. The boost it would immediately give whoever happens to be 3Ws in the near-term. Tuch would be a top six dream and add way more pace but of the names on the various trade boards ROR remains the best fit IMO. They might ideally want to go younger focusing on finding the next Hagel that shakes loose. But I don't see that player out there. If it is it's in left field off the radar...
 
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As I see it, Eller is a good find, but not good enough to carry a 3rd line postseason. It’s de facto 4th line, but I think they’d like the Dowd line to be a true 4th line.

Ovechkin - Strome - Wilson
Protas - Dubois - Leonard
Mangiapane - New 3 - CMM
Eller/Raddysh - Dowd - Dunhaime

Rumored players, in no order:

88 - ROR - 24
88 - Schenn - 24
88 - Laughton - 24
88 - R. Strome - 24
88 - Donato - 24
88 - Mittlestadt - 24
 
This is the conundrum. Leonard has shined at all levels, including WJC and the Caps' development camps. But he's untested/unproven against NHL-level pros. One positive is that Lenny costs nothing to acquire, other than a contract. Of the external possible adds, which if any offer better odds of fitting in and making the team better? Acquisition costs shouldn't be outrageous for a pending UFA like Evans or Donato. I'd prefer someone with term but the cost for that player will be higher. At least the Caps have assets they can exchange.
I'm betting the answer is both - sign Lenny, and bring in a reliable forward to push some of the bottom 6 down a level. Hoping the Caps' brain trust can figure this out.
Yep. I think you have to treat Leonard for this year as a non-factor
 
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IMO Leonard will definitely have an adjustment period before he can be impactful at the NHL level. A lot of the goals and plays I see him make on highlights probably wouldn't be successful in the pros. The opposing players are just too good, relative to what he faces now. That's not to say he doesn't have the skill to become 'a guy', just that it'll take him a bit to learn new ways to use that skill.
 

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