Locker room cancer or prima donna is extremely thin gossip. Marner getting singled out while Matthews, Nylander and Tavares dodge criticism is ridiculous to me.
Of course few people actually know, but Carberry would know!
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Of course few people actually know, but Carberry would know!
Draisaitl hates living in Edmonton. If he doesn't want to sign an extension over the summer, Holland's best move would be to trade him and maximize the ROI vs. letting him walk for nothing.
I also know for a fact TOR has discussed moving Marner.
What I don't know is the character evaluation and whether he'd waive his NMC for DC. But I could see him really benefitting from escaping the Toronto market and coming to a team with a great locker room culture where doesn't need to be The Guy. IDK what Mac and obv Carbs' thoughts are though.
What I don't know is the character evaluation and whether he'd waive his NMC for DC. But I could see him really benefitting from escaping the Toronto market and coming to a team with a great locker room culture where doesn't need to be The Guy. IDK what Mac and obv Carbs' thoughts are though.
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I honestly think we need to stay the course. I haven’t chimed in on Marner yet, but I think it’s too early for us to buy a player like that.
That said, he doesn’t show well for himself in the postseason.
He's almost a PPG in his career in the postseason.
11G + 38A = 49P in 54 playoff games.
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Not to mention he’s really solid defensively.
Maybe they make a move for Bertuzzi as well?
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re. Oshie and peeing in a bottle: iirc, the Oshies have four kids, and one is really young - was in someone's arms at his 1000th game ceremony - and another is maybe three or four. Most parents spend time on the floor with their kids, especially when they're younger than five. So Osh having to relieve himself in the manner he described is no big surprise.
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You have some batshit takes sometimes…”pride issue or over dramatizing” are you for real?
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Marner and Tavares are heading into the final year on their contracts. If you aren't planning on re-signing them, makes sense to trade them over the summer.
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That's why I'm asking. He went into the Player Assistance Program a month ago and we hadn't heard anything since... right up until about an hour after I made that comment when it was reported he'd been cleared to leave the program. So that answers my question about how much longer they thought he'd be in there, next question is what'd they think of his tryout this year and what role do they envisage for him next year.
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You've clearly never had severe back issues.Has Oshie ever heard of sitting down on a toilet to pee?! I deal with it with my 80 year old dementia father, but common Oshie is only 37 years old! Either he has a pride issue sitting on a toilet or he's over dramatizing the situation.
Thanks for already pointing out what I just said about Marner!
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The problem is he would need to be the guy.
Yes and no. The production, yeah. But leadership wise, It's Ovie, Carlson, and Wilson's team. Marner could just focus on hockey and not worry about the outside noise... that is, theoretically anyway.
If we can't pry Draisaitl out of Edmonton, I'd take a one-year $11M gamble on it, especially if we send Kuemper's $5M back the other way as part of the deal.
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? Oshie is probably LTIR, and Wilson is going to Toronto in this proposal. Can’t have it both ways. Building via trades is very very difficult because it also costs you something.
Really wish the leafs lost tonight so they would be motivated to adjust the roster.
They will have 4 forwards over $10M next year. 2 of those 4 are already signed long term so i don’t know that they can (or want) to have 3 $10M+ guys signed long term. Leafs also have a lot of UFA’s. So freeing up cash to resign or replace with upgrades would help them.
I like Marner. 26 year old with 4x100pts. Yes please! As someone else noted, the leadership here is strong and Marner can just play hockey. Price would be high but leafs have no 2nd or 3rd this year, and no 1-4 rounds next year. We have a lot of draft capital to throw at this.
They will have 4 forwards over $10M next year. 2 of those 4 are already signed long term so i don’t know that they can (or want) to have 3 $10M+ guys signed long term. Leafs also have a lot of UFA’s. So freeing up cash to resign or replace with upgrades would help them.
I like Marner. 26 year old with 4x100pts. Yes please! As someone else noted, the leadership here is strong and Marner can just play hockey. Price would be high but leafs have no 2nd or 3rd this year, and no 1-4 rounds next year. We have a lot of draft capital to throw at this.
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If Wilson is not going to be included, is Kuemper, CMM, and the 2024 1st going to be enough? I don't think he's going to come cheap. Yes, he's is on an expiring deal, but he's been an 85+ point producer the last 3 years who is also solid defensively.
I'd do Kuemper, CMM, a 1st and another pick/prospect. Or maybe include Protas instead of McMichael.
Keep in mind if we don't ask Toronto for any salary retention, it will lower the price a bit as well. No retention, only 1 year left on his deal, and limited destinations given his NMC.
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Yeah the purpose of including Wilson in a potential deal is so that Washington isn't giving up a lot of futures or young players and also exploiting the fact that Toronto always thinks they need to get tougher (see: the 3 year deal given to Reaves, signing Domi and Bertuzzi, and continually trading for big stay at home D like Edmundson).
I also don't see why Toronto wants futures now in a potential trade. I guess they could flip those futures for a roster player, but that's an extra layer of complication I don't have faith their management would be able to execute. They are likely going to want to contend next year and the 17th overall doesn't do anything to help that pursuit.
If they feel they need to do something to shake up the core if they flame out, from their (warped) perspective wouldn't Wilson be an incredibly attractive piece, especially after seeing a guy like Marchand have his way with them again?
I also don't see why Toronto wants futures now in a potential trade. I guess they could flip those futures for a roster player, but that's an extra layer of complication I don't have faith their management would be able to execute. They are likely going to want to contend next year and the 17th overall doesn't do anything to help that pursuit.
If they feel they need to do something to shake up the core if they flame out, from their (warped) perspective wouldn't Wilson be an incredibly attractive piece, especially after seeing a guy like Marchand have his way with them again?
31 other teams would want Wilson on their team. I know you're down on the player but it's clear this organization has been grooming him to be Captain after Ovie retires - including to the point where Ovie straight up said he was "probably a future captain" in his breakdown day press conference. The org is not going to move him.
BMac talked about having all that draft capital to be able to use in the trade market. I'd imagine TOR is no different. And by taking $11M off their books, we're also implicitly giving them the asset of cap space to use in the open market and/or to re-sign guys like Domi.
They need middle 6 guys, D and G. We can solve for at least two of those between Kuemper and Mikey/Protas, plus give them a high pick and potentially more. That's a fair deal IMO.
Aside from Saros, though, what goalies are available that would be better than Darcy? Boston is not going to trade Ullmark within the division and Markstrom has a full-NMC and may not want to stay in Canada bc of media & taxes.
I'm sure TOR will take a swing at Saros, but otherwise it's slim pickings out there. Maybe we can retain some on Kuemper to sweeten the deal. Darcy is nevertheless a Stanley Cup-winning goaltender who could mentor Woll.
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Bertuzzi • Strome • Marner
Ovi • Lapierre • Wilson
Miroshnickenko • Protas • Milano
Malenstyn • Dowd • Aube-Kubel
Fehervary • Carlson
Sandin • Chatfield/Carrier
Alexeyev • TVR
Ovi • Lapierre • Wilson
Miroshnickenko • Protas • Milano
Malenstyn • Dowd • Aube-Kubel
Fehervary • Carlson
Sandin • Chatfield/Carrier
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