Prospect Info: Caps Prospects General Discussion Thread - 2024-25

[Calicaps]

That was fairly ridiculous assist.

2+4 in the end.

6 points. NBD

 

[trick9]

Berkly Catton's stat line is funny. 0+0 game when Cristall was suspended. 4+10 in the 4 games where Cristall played.

 

[hb13xchamps]

Caps 2021 3rd rounder Brent Johnson recently signed with Wheeling in the ECHL. From a 20 second Google and skim of their news I couldn't find what type of contract it was. Caps have his rights until this coming August.

Adding later, it's an ECHL standard player contract.

That’s probably an indicator that he’s not in their plans. You’d think they would have had him sign in SC if that was the case. Wheeling is also Pittsburgh’s ECHL affiliate blah

 

[Lou Sassole]

Cristall is on fire tonight!
His vision on those assists is amazing and the accuracy of those passes is surgical. The 360 spinorama to Van Olm was highlight reel perfect.
If his game can translate to the NHL he could be a goal scoring nightmare for other teams.
Would Cole Caulfield be an accurate comparable for his size and game?

That pass was crazy, you could seem him get his eyes around. That wasn't a hope pass at all, dude is just gifted.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Would Cole Caulfield be an accurate comparable for his size and game?

I’m not an expert on either player by any means, but Caufield seems like he creates more with his athleticism and is a natural finisher with an elite shot. Cristall appears to be more in the Marner mold where he generates offense with superior IQ/vision/dekes, almost in spite of a relatively average athletic toolkit. That said, from the short clips I’ve seen it looks like his skating has already improved since last year.

 

[Langway]

Parascak primary assist. PG stays alive once again and forces Game 7 tomorrow.

 

[Random schmoe]

That’s probably an indicator that he’s not in their plans. You’d think they would have had him sign in SC if that was the case. Wheeling is also Pittsburgh’s ECHL affiliate blah

That was my feeling too. I'd wonder if they already 'relinquished' their rights, if there is a mechanism for doing that aside from just not signing him.

 

[Holtbyisms]

That was my feeling too. I'd wonder if they already 'relinquished' their rights, if there is a mechanism for doing that aside from just not signing him.

I'd imagine they probably reached out to his agent/handler as soon as they were able and informed them they didn't plan on signing him. That's the right thing to do in that situation and we're a pretty solid organization so I wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[Langway]

Parascak puts PG up to start Game 7.

 

[Cush]

PG eliminated

Parascak 4+6 in 7 games

 

[Lou Sassole]

PG eliminated

Parascak 4+6 in 7 games

He goes to Hershey to be a Black Ace now, right?

 

[trick9]

He goes to Hershey to be a Black Ace now, right?

Most likely, yes.

 

[HTFN]

Berkly Catton's stat line is funny. 0+0 game when Cristall was suspended. 4+10 in the 4 games where Cristall played.

Interesting but not indicative of much

One guy to focus on over two? More systemic locks without potential for abuse? Yeah, seems right, I'm on the Cristall train but it doesn't make him a passenger, it's not like Cristall was there all season

 

[Langway]

I'm probably out on Ravensbergen as a first rounder. Boston's second being what it is that could perhaps line up...but even that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's competitive and lanky with much filling out to do and overall maturation but his technique and composure are poor. Maybe that makes him a prime pupil for further development but I wouldn't count on it.

I don't yet have a flushed out first round so at the tail end perhaps he still fits. But the economy of movement isn't there for first round type mystique for a netminder. He doesn't have the crease presence. As a late birthday he's ineligible for the U18s so it'll be interesting to see down the stretch whether he slides in various rankings. Portland carved up PG in transition and he helped keep them in it late in the series but overall came up small and certainly seemed better last year (granted, on a better team).

 

[trick9]

Interesting but not indicative of much

One guy to focus on over two? More systemic locks without potential for abuse? Yeah, seems right, I'm on the Cristall train but it doesn't make him a passenger, it's not like Cristall was there all season

My point was more about Cristall elevating the players around him than a knock on Catton.

This isn't just Catton either. At the start of the season we saw the exactly same thing when Cristall was in Caps camp missing games and Tij Iginla played without him. Or basically Tij Iginla and his stat line any time Cristall was out of the line-up.

It's propably a bunch of things that leads to that. Cristall creates a lot of chances every game, he finds open space, he's really good at controlling the pace of play, when to slow down to find an open man etc. Linemates get comfortable around him so when he's missing, it shows.

Doesn't even matter whether it's Spokane or Kelowna but with either team it's obvious who the engine is and it shows when the engine is missing.

 

[895]

Most likely, yes.

AHL rules for CHL players is always confusing to me. So he can join Hershey for the AHL playoffs this season but because he won't turn 20 by next season, he has to go back to the CHL next year?

 

[Kazer]

AHL rules for CHL players is always confusing to me. So he can join Hershey for the AHL playoffs this season but because he won't turn 20 by next season, he has to go back to the CHL next year?

Yes, that's how I understand the rule. CHL wants to keep talent in their pipeline, so they limit it by age. Parascak can only join at this stage because his CHL season has concluded.

I wish they would revise the rule to apply to draft year rather than pure age. If Andrew Cristall were about 35 days older (born December 2004 instead of February 2005), he would have been AHL eligible this year (like Nate Danielson from the same draft).

Note that this only applies to players drafted out of the CHL so while Protas the younger played in the OHL this year the rule does not apply to him as he was drafted out of the USHL. As a 2006, he would have to go back to the OHL if he was drafted out of the OHL.

 

[qcal1427]

Yes, that's how I understand the rule. CHL wants to keep talent in their pipeline, so they limit it by age. Parascak can only join at this stage because his CHL season has concluded.

I wish they would revise the rule to apply to draft year rather than pure age. If Andrew Cristall were about 35 days older (born December 2004 instead of February 2005), he would have been AHL eligible this year (like Nate Danielson from the same draft).

Note that this only applies to players drafted out of the CHL so while Protas the younger played in the OHL this year the rule does not apply to him as he was drafted out of the USHL. As a 2006, he would have to go back to the OHL if he was drafted out of the OHL.

The good thing is that the NHL-CHL transfer agreement is almost certainly being re-negotiated in light of the new NCAA rules

 

[qcal1427]

I'm probably out on Ravensbergen as a first rounder. Boston's second being what it is that could perhaps line up...but even that seems like a bit of a stretch. He's competitive and lanky with much filling out to do and overall maturation but his technique and composure are poor. Maybe that makes him a prime pupil for further development but I wouldn't count on it.

I don't yet have a flushed out first round so at the tail end perhaps he still fits. But the economy of movement isn't there for first round type mystique for a netminder. He doesn't have the crease presence. As a late birthday he's ineligible for the U18s so it'll be interesting to see down the stretch whether he slides in various rankings. Portland carved up PG in transition and he helped keep them in it late in the series but overall came up small and certainly seemed better last year (granted, on a better team).

Never draft a goalie in the first round

 

[barriers]

The good thing is that the NHL-CHL transfer agreement is almost certainly being re-negotiated in light of the new NCAA rules

The NHL-CHL transfer agreement doesn't have anything to do with the AHL though. The transfer agreement allows players under CHL contract to play in the NHL, it's their CHL contract that prevents CHL players from playing AHL since there is no AHL-CHL transfer agreement.

 

[qcal1427]

The NHL-CHL transfer agreement doesn't have anything to do with the AHL though. The transfer agreement allows players under CHL contract to play in the NHL, it's their CHL contract that prevents CHL players from playing AHL since there is no AHL-CHL transfer agreement.

It's directly controlled by the agreement between the NHL and CHL and would be re-negotiated by the NHL

 

[Jags]

Never draft a goalie in the first round

I generally agree, but there are rare exceptions, and it has the same benefit as any other prospect when it pays off. My "never" on keepers is the big money contract. Whatever the top F/D contract of the moment is, about 50-60% of that is the top I'd generally be willing to spend on a goalie. More per year for less term maybe, but never top money like Shesterkin just got, and definitely never max term.

But I'd draft the right goalie prospect early, use up those cost-controlled years, then deal him before he's due the monster deal. Rinse and repeat if possible.

 

[TheSmokingMan]

I generally agree, but there are rare exceptions, and it has the same benefit as any other prospect when it pays off. My "never" on keepers is the big money contract. Whatever the top F/D contract of the moment is, about 50-60% of that is the top I'd generally be willing to spend on a goalie. More per year for less term maybe, but never top money like Shesterkin just got, and definitely never max term.

But I'd draft the right goalie prospect early, use up those cost-controlled years, then deal him before he's due the monster deal. Rinse and repeat if possible.

You are just as likely to find a top goaltender in the later rounds as the 1st round (maybe even more likely). Goaltenders take the longest to develop and aren't usually ready to be a starter until 26-28 years old. The most important part of what makes an elite goaltender is what goes on between their ears. Figuring out what's inside the head of an 18 year old is almost impossible. That's why drafting goaltenders is such a crap shoot.

 

[qcal1427]

You are just as likely to find a top goaltender in the later rounds as the 1st round (maybe even more likely). Goaltenders take the longest to develop and aren't usually ready to be a starter until 26-28 years old. The most important part of what makes an elite goaltender is what goes on between their ears. Figuring out what's inside the head of an 18 year old is almost impossible. That's why drafting goaltenders is such a crap shoot.

Yep this is a very underrated part of why goalies in the first round are a bad idea. One of the great things about high draft picks is their ability to meaningfully contribute on their ELC where they are cost-controlled and you can get insane positive value. Because goalies take longer to develop, you almost never get that ELC value out of them

 

[Holtbyisms]

Patrick Thomas signed.