Post-Game Talk: Capitals vs. Coyotes 11/2/14 7:00 PM Caps Lose 6-5
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Personal wishlist: Ovechkin hattrick. Some big play and subsequently raised ice time for 92 and 43, 65 to continue his status quo of dominance and someone to knock Erat on his ass every time he crosses the blue line. Safe bet that 4's will step up to the plate for the last one.
We're starting in the Off zone 55.09% of the time (4th best in NHL), Fenwick is 54.69% (4th in NHL) and Corsi is 53.83% (5th).
The results will come. We're only just over a tenth of the way into our first season with a new GM and new coach and our underlying stats are outstanding, if you can't have faith now I don't know when you can
Blades of Steel
log off.
I can see without stats that we should be winning these games, limit the the turnover and we need our goalies to stop shots they are expected to stop. Stop the soft goal madness. If peters doesn't do the job Id expect grubs called up as a statement.
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Felt great about this team earlier in the season, but, right now - meh.. Hopefully it's like you're saying, they've gotten a few bad bounces and not a lot of puck luck. Hopefully it turns around tonight. I want Trotz to stop shuffling the lines, it isn't helping. Keeping Backy and Ovi from each other hasnt really, eh, helped us before. Bura is trying a little too hard sometimes, amazing player but he needs to make the right decisions if he's gonna play with Ovi. Young player so it's understandable, hopefully it comes together tonight. No need to lose hope in the team so early on!
CC96
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Quit watching and posting then. If you cant see the difference between this team and last year than just leave.
BrooklynCapsFan
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After ten games, I'm not that thrilled either.
Adding two capable top 4 dmen has had the effect that it should have -fewer shots allowed and pressure off Mike Green. But even with Niskapik, the breakouts remain very sloppy.
The forwards have disappointed. They can't cycle, they can't execute odd man rushes. Most importantly, unless the wrist is worse than we're aware of, Ovechkin needs to be a PPG+ player.
Tied for 25th in ROW through 10 games. The good news is that our next 10 games are soft and they really should make hay. If they don't do that, then it might be time to bust out the doom.
txpd
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I'll change my mind when I see them capable of translating those fancy stats into wins. I don't think what I'm saying is so outrageous. Thanks for your suggestion though.
We're going through the stretch the Bruins had to begin the season. Stop worrying.
5on5 stats wise the only teams ahead of us are Chicago, Minnesota, St. Louis and Boston. We'll be fine.
5on5 stats wise the only teams ahead of us are Chicago, Minnesota, St. Louis and Boston. We'll be fine.
txpd
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I think your doom and gloom is over the top. bcf says he's not thrilled. I can see that. no confidence? they didn't get blown out in tampa. they out chanced the home team by double and would have won had a usually solid goalie made a couple of saves. that shouldn't result is totally shot confidence.
trotz said they played the better game and should have won. that if they keep playing like that, the wins will come. that seems logical. he's not a blow sunshine kind of man. his confidence isn't shot.
Again. If they can show me consistently that they can convert these fancy stats into wins, then I will change my mind. Until then, I'm with BCF in what he sees. He lays down our inadequacies pretty nicely. Is that a fair stance for me to take in your opinion?
txpd
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I think they look like a pretty good team that still has a lot of new parts and pieces to get worked out.
frankly, Ovechkin has not scored a goal since he blocked that shot with his hand. If he is scoring at a typical Ov pace, they have won more games with that alone.
I am not bothered, yet.
frankly, Ovechkin has not scored a goal since he blocked that shot with his hand. If he is scoring at a typical Ov pace, they have won more games with that alone.
I am not bothered, yet.
Per stats.hockeyanalysis.com:
Top 10 CF% teams this season: Chicago, Minnesota, St Louis, Boston, Washington, Nashville, Detroit, Florida, Tampa Bay, NYR -- 8 out of 10 currently in play-offs and Florida is in if they win their next game (fewest GP in EC so far)
Top 10 CF% teams from 2013-14: Boston, Anaheim, LA, Chicago, St Louis, Tampa Bay, San Jose, Colorado, Minnesota, NYR (Caps were 24th) -- all made play-offs
Skipping 2012-13 season for sample size purposes
Top 10 CF% teams from 2011-12: Detroit, St Louis, Boston, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, Philly, NYR, Phoenix, San Jose, Buffalo -- 9 out of 10 made play-offs (Caps were 13th)
CF% is not the end-all, be-all but it shows fairly accurately the correlation b/w driving play via puck possession and winning games. Remember last year when Toronto was on a tear and there was a big debate between #fancystats and the eye test? The fancy stats crowd said Toronto will implode and the eye test crew said stats don't matter if you're winning games? Toronto was dead last in the NHL in CF% (42.9) and imploded. The Caps are playing well, they just aren't getting the breaks. If they continue to play as they have the first 10 games of the year they should be fine.
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Keep in mind half the league makes the playoffs, and the Leafs always implode.
Fancy stats happen because of many things good teams do. Consistently good teams end up shooting more because of all the good things they do, not just taking shots. Boosting those stats don't automatically make you good. That's why coaches like Trotz take a wary approach and call them "a tool".
You can't just take a lot of shots, limit the other team's shots and expect to win. Quality if shots does matter. Player tendency vs goalie tendency matters. I'll let you have the team that takes 30 perimeter shots a game and I'll take the team that gets nothing but 15 wide open breakaways a game. It's an extreme example but most of the time my team will win.
Anyway this is creeping into the analytics thread territory. I think the Caps win one tonight. Maybe even a shutout for Peters and an official Goaltending Controversy (tm).
Fancy stats happen because of many things good teams do. Consistently good teams end up shooting more because of all the good things they do, not just taking shots. Boosting those stats don't automatically make you good. That's why coaches like Trotz take a wary approach and call them "a tool".
You can't just take a lot of shots, limit the other team's shots and expect to win. Quality if shots does matter. Player tendency vs goalie tendency matters. I'll let you have the team that takes 30 perimeter shots a game and I'll take the team that gets nothing but 15 wide open breakaways a game. It's an extreme example but most of the time my team will win.
Anyway this is creeping into the analytics thread territory. I think the Caps win one tonight. Maybe even a shutout for Peters and an official Goaltending Controversy (tm).
Very meh on the start. Not an easy schedule. New coaching staff. .500. Sounds about right.
Burakovsky is a find but Kuznetsov seriously needs coaching. I pray he's not another Radulov.
Holtby is too hot and cold. This year is big for him.
The lack of talent on the 2nd line is glaring.
Burakovsky is a find but Kuznetsov seriously needs coaching. I pray he's not another Radulov.
Holtby is too hot and cold. This year is big for him.
The lack of talent on the 2nd line is glaring.
I thought Kuzya was fantastic last night. To me, he's clearly improving and becoming more confident. Your point on second line is why I'd bring Semin back.
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