Alberta_OReilly_Fan
Bruin fan since 1975
I went back several pages to find a cap thread I could retro and they get buried because we just don't want to be reminded that the cap is a reality. my favorite website to get cap info is Boston Bruins - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
im going to point out a couple things here so that we can think like the team thinks in reguard to potential upgrades for our team this year {and going forward}
for this year we have 3.545 million dollars of projected room at the current spending
and heres something you might not know... our players have a potential to earn 4.15 million bonus money.
bonus money gets tacked onto the cap at the end of the season. bonus money can hurt
for example... did you know that this year our cap is 774,000 less because WE WENT OVER THE CAP LAST YEAR? this was because our kids earnt their bonuses.
if we make a trade now and use up all the available cap space... we will go OVER THE CAP AGAIN and next year we will SUFFER WITH A CAP PENALTY
now... this is important because we have some very serious contract negotations coming up...
rfa needing new deals are
McAvoy
carlo
Heinen
donato
ufa
chara
accari
kamfer
lets quickly look at these guys... accari/kamfer, and even donato, probably wont get significant raises.
chara is almost certainly going to take a huge pay cut if hes back at all. lets say chara gets a 2 million base salary and maybe another 2 million in bonus money just in case he has a monster season. his bonus money would only effect us in 2020-2021 so its easier to take
now the big 3... McAvoy/carlo/Heinen currently earn slightly over 2.5 million between the three of them.
McAvoy negotiation is going to start with matt dumba at 6 mill... and then look at cam fowler at 6.5... and even look at pietrangelo also at 6.5. we are going to have a very hard time convincing him to lock in long term if hes not in this conversation. contracts are only going up and up and these are all older contracts now. we could try to bridge him but most of us agree bridge contracts for these type of guys can get messy.
carlo meanwhile comapares with guys like skejei at 5.25... matheson at 4.875... pesce 4.025... nurse 3.2
… carlo hasn't put up the offense yet that could get him a long term deal at the 5 mill level imho but he might do it this year. I think he has the tools to put up 30 points. skejei has just 1 single season with more than 25 points and just 10 goals in 181 career games. carlo has 6 goals in 170 career games...
the offense level between skejei and carlo isn't a huge huge gap. matheson has just 1 season with more than 17 points. pesce has never had more than 20 points
carlo and his agent are going to be looking at 4 mill minimum to sign anything that is longer term. and even a nurse bridge deal is set at 3.2. honestly I think carlo is looking better than nurse
what about Heinen? hes had a 45 point season? what are his comparables?
alex wennberg got 4.9 mill... max domi got 3.1 mill... andre burakovsky got 3 mill... ondrej kase got 2.6
wennberg has never scored more than 13 goals and has only 1 season above 40 points. domi has just 1 season with more than 10 goals. burakovsky has NEVER had a 20 goal season or a 40 point season
so Heinen already has a pretty good case to ask for 3 mill on a bridge deal. there are comparables. and if hes taking a 6 year deal like wennberg then he might be asking a lot more
6 mill for McAvoy starting point
4 mill for carlo starting point
3 mill for Heinen starting point
we have $64,619,166 committed next year to the current 16 players under contract... if we add 13 mill to this number that takes us to 77.5 million for 19 players.
it doesn't include chara… give him 2 mill and we are up too 80 mill for just 20 players
we still need to add 3 more players... and what about that potential bonus overage that might take away another million or more???
obviously the answer a lot of you might say... get rid of backes… ok... will have an 8 team trade list so if he doesn't want to go he doesn't have to go. buying him out will result in a cap hit of 5.6 mill saving us roughly 333k it will give us 2.333 savings in 2020 but then cost us 666k for 2 extra years
you cant just automatically say we can get rid of backes… he needs to be willing to go
krejci has to give us a 15 player list... but his contract is very high. we will need to take back contract when we trade him. few teams will have the room to take him without moving back contract to us
so... that's where the cap is at 80 mill... ive seen some people talking about the cap going up and it might... but lets always remember that the escrow system is taking over 10% of the players salaries back every year. this means the cap isn't being calculated true. the cap is actually a very fake number right now. hrr are not being realized.
if the players don't agree to the escalator the CAP WILL FALL. it could fall as much as 10% considering that the escrow currently is over 10%. my math might have a flaw but a 10% fall could result in a cap of less than 75 mill
at the very least if the players don't agree to the escalator then any potential increase is almost certainly doomed.
counting on the cap going up... means that we are counting on the players continuing to be happy to lose 10% or more of their money every year. sure, this money goes to their brothers. without the escalator new ufa wont get the same money old guys got. but where does this end?
the players did not authorize a max escalator this year. they are angry at the system. it might be coming to an end.
anyhow... heres another wall of text... my apologies... but this is a huge issue that needs an understanding before we can get angry at the team for not bringing in a second line scorer or a 3rd line center.
anyone we bring in that has a contract will effect next years budget and next years budget is already too high. if we end up with a cap penalty it could really be a huge problem so we need to keep room this year. and its very possible we are going to have to look at a fan favorite like Heinen or krug and move them because its not a guarantee we can move someone like backes or krejci without bringing back a lot of salary in return.
im going to point out a couple things here so that we can think like the team thinks in reguard to potential upgrades for our team this year {and going forward}
for this year we have 3.545 million dollars of projected room at the current spending
and heres something you might not know... our players have a potential to earn 4.15 million bonus money.
bonus money gets tacked onto the cap at the end of the season. bonus money can hurt
for example... did you know that this year our cap is 774,000 less because WE WENT OVER THE CAP LAST YEAR? this was because our kids earnt their bonuses.
if we make a trade now and use up all the available cap space... we will go OVER THE CAP AGAIN and next year we will SUFFER WITH A CAP PENALTY
now... this is important because we have some very serious contract negotations coming up...
rfa needing new deals are
McAvoy
carlo
Heinen
donato
ufa
chara
accari
kamfer
lets quickly look at these guys... accari/kamfer, and even donato, probably wont get significant raises.
chara is almost certainly going to take a huge pay cut if hes back at all. lets say chara gets a 2 million base salary and maybe another 2 million in bonus money just in case he has a monster season. his bonus money would only effect us in 2020-2021 so its easier to take
now the big 3... McAvoy/carlo/Heinen currently earn slightly over 2.5 million between the three of them.
McAvoy negotiation is going to start with matt dumba at 6 mill... and then look at cam fowler at 6.5... and even look at pietrangelo also at 6.5. we are going to have a very hard time convincing him to lock in long term if hes not in this conversation. contracts are only going up and up and these are all older contracts now. we could try to bridge him but most of us agree bridge contracts for these type of guys can get messy.
carlo meanwhile comapares with guys like skejei at 5.25... matheson at 4.875... pesce 4.025... nurse 3.2
… carlo hasn't put up the offense yet that could get him a long term deal at the 5 mill level imho but he might do it this year. I think he has the tools to put up 30 points. skejei has just 1 single season with more than 25 points and just 10 goals in 181 career games. carlo has 6 goals in 170 career games...
the offense level between skejei and carlo isn't a huge huge gap. matheson has just 1 season with more than 17 points. pesce has never had more than 20 points
carlo and his agent are going to be looking at 4 mill minimum to sign anything that is longer term. and even a nurse bridge deal is set at 3.2. honestly I think carlo is looking better than nurse
what about Heinen? hes had a 45 point season? what are his comparables?
alex wennberg got 4.9 mill... max domi got 3.1 mill... andre burakovsky got 3 mill... ondrej kase got 2.6
wennberg has never scored more than 13 goals and has only 1 season above 40 points. domi has just 1 season with more than 10 goals. burakovsky has NEVER had a 20 goal season or a 40 point season
so Heinen already has a pretty good case to ask for 3 mill on a bridge deal. there are comparables. and if hes taking a 6 year deal like wennberg then he might be asking a lot more
6 mill for McAvoy starting point
4 mill for carlo starting point
3 mill for Heinen starting point
we have $64,619,166 committed next year to the current 16 players under contract... if we add 13 mill to this number that takes us to 77.5 million for 19 players.
it doesn't include chara… give him 2 mill and we are up too 80 mill for just 20 players
we still need to add 3 more players... and what about that potential bonus overage that might take away another million or more???
obviously the answer a lot of you might say... get rid of backes… ok... will have an 8 team trade list so if he doesn't want to go he doesn't have to go. buying him out will result in a cap hit of 5.6 mill saving us roughly 333k it will give us 2.333 savings in 2020 but then cost us 666k for 2 extra years
you cant just automatically say we can get rid of backes… he needs to be willing to go
krejci has to give us a 15 player list... but his contract is very high. we will need to take back contract when we trade him. few teams will have the room to take him without moving back contract to us
so... that's where the cap is at 80 mill... ive seen some people talking about the cap going up and it might... but lets always remember that the escrow system is taking over 10% of the players salaries back every year. this means the cap isn't being calculated true. the cap is actually a very fake number right now. hrr are not being realized.
if the players don't agree to the escalator the CAP WILL FALL. it could fall as much as 10% considering that the escrow currently is over 10%. my math might have a flaw but a 10% fall could result in a cap of less than 75 mill
at the very least if the players don't agree to the escalator then any potential increase is almost certainly doomed.
counting on the cap going up... means that we are counting on the players continuing to be happy to lose 10% or more of their money every year. sure, this money goes to their brothers. without the escalator new ufa wont get the same money old guys got. but where does this end?
the players did not authorize a max escalator this year. they are angry at the system. it might be coming to an end.
anyhow... heres another wall of text... my apologies... but this is a huge issue that needs an understanding before we can get angry at the team for not bringing in a second line scorer or a 3rd line center.
anyone we bring in that has a contract will effect next years budget and next years budget is already too high. if we end up with a cap penalty it could really be a huge problem so we need to keep room this year. and its very possible we are going to have to look at a fan favorite like Heinen or krug and move them because its not a guarantee we can move someone like backes or krejci without bringing back a lot of salary in return.
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