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So defensively strong? More fitting/better on a shutdown line than Suter is?
He's an elite PKer but has been average defensively 5v5
So defensively strong? More fitting/better on a shutdown line than Suter is?
Interesting, thanks.He's an elite PKer but has been average defensively 5v5
I get that he was on a PTO recently but I have a hard time believing that. There wasn't one other team offering him a 1 year $1Mish contract? I suppose teams could have inquired about Heinen and not have made a contract while Canucks were in on him early.
maybe he's weird.i think heinen was a good signing but there's obviously something teams don't like about his game
boston took forever to actually offer him an nhl deal, ditched him to anaheim where he wasn't qualified and then was a late signing for pittsburgh who again let him walk as an rfa. then he had to sign a pto with boston before getting a contract in camp
it's not like all these teams regarded him as a depth signing either. they all talked about how he could potentially play in their top six
maybe he's weird.
i think heinen was a good signing but there's obviously something teams don't like about his game
boston took forever to actually offer him an nhl deal, ditched him to anaheim where he wasn't qualified and then was a late signing for pittsburgh who again let him walk as an rfa. then he had to sign a pto with boston before getting a contract in camp
it's not like all these teams regarded him as a depth signing either. they all talked about how he could potentially play in their top six
i think heinen was a good signing but there's obviously something teams don't like about his game
boston took forever to actually offer him an nhl deal, ditched him to anaheim where he wasn't qualified and then was a late signing for pittsburgh who again let him walk as an rfa. then he had to sign a pto with boston before getting a contract in camp
it's not like all these teams regarded him as a depth signing either. they all talked about how he could potentially play in their top six
You think Suter is a better player than Heinen? I would have assumed the opposite.This guy is great because he is like a slightly-less-good wing Suter, and thus allows you to move Suter back to centre.
This guy is great because he is like a slightly-less-good wing Suter, and thus allows you to move Suter back to centre.
We think Suter is a better player than Heinen? I would have assumed the opposite.
Seems like a solid move to bump Suter down the lineup. If Pettersson can be himself and find chemistry with DeBrusk, the forward depth should look pretty good
For 2.25M, I wonder why we didn’t add a bit more term? This seems like a bit of a bargain deal that might be hard to repeat if Heinen gets top six usage and puts up 50 points a season.
Guess we deal with that if it happens.
Like the versatility within the forward ranks now.
Overstating it a little bit, but Allvin has ditched the top 6/ bottom 6 model for a top 12 model. Should be able to roll 4 lines no matter who we're playing.
Upgrade over Lafferty for not a bit more. Also local boy.
I figure it to be that he is a tweener, much like Suter.
Heinen doesn't really fit in a traditional line-up. He's too soft/skilled for a 3LW role, and he's not skilled enough to hold down a top6 role. So where does he fit? The answer is, everywhere. He can moonlight as a bottom6er or top6er. He's a band-aid.
Subtly, this is the guy you can use as a complement to Miller/Pettersson, while Mikheyev is just a skater with each. Heinen can make plays and score.
You think Suter is a better player than Heinen? I would have assumed the opposite.
I figure it to be that he is a tweener, much like Suter.
Heinen doesn't really fit in a traditional line-up. He's too soft/skilled for a 3LW role, and he's not skilled enough to hold down a top6 role. So where does he fit? The answer is, everywhere. He can moonlight as a bottom6er or top6er. He's a band-aid.
Subtly, this is the guy you can use as a complement to Miller/Pettersson, while Mikheyev is just a skater with each. Heinen can make plays and score.
Better all-around player, yes, especially defensively. Offensively I’d give Heinan an edge in even-strength goal generation over the past season. Suter extra points because he’s a natural centre.
Yeah. I'm pretty ambivalent toward this deal. I think a lot of people are a little over-excited about what i view as basically another, slightly more expensive, winger version of Suter.
It's not a bad player to have, but it's also not a difference-maker. I figure like Suter, he'll probably slide around the lineup. Whether that's bumping Suter down and taking his spot with JT-Boeser. Or honestly...i hate the way Hoglander plays with Pettersson, so i'm hoping his wingers end up being DeBrusk and some sort of open audition with Suter/Heinen/Podkolzin and obviously Hoggy is going to get his shot there.
That versatility is nice...but it's also indicative of a player who is just another utility "filler" jack of all trades type. They did well enough with Suter though, so i guess we'll see.
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Yeah. It's absolutely this. Most teams just really don't have a place for guys like Suter or Heinen. It's interesting the way this team seems to have embraced it and is making homes for them in unconventional roles.
It's a very non-traditional roster construction...but they've been insightful to realize that some of the rather...oddball, "unique" players we've accumulated, somehow make this weird "which line is which" configuration viable.
I am under the impression that Heinen is not as "soft" as before. I think he is now in his prime and a good middle 6 player who can play up and down the lineup.
Yeah. I'm pretty ambivalent toward this deal. I think a lot of people are a little over-excited about what i view as basically another, slightly more expensive, winger version of Suter.
It's not a bad player to have, but it's also not a difference-maker. I figure like Suter, he'll probably slide around the lineup. Whether that's bumping Suter down and taking his spot with JT-Boeser. Or honestly...i hate the way Hoglander plays with Pettersson, so i'm hoping his wingers end up being DeBrusk and some sort of open audition with Suter/Heinen/Podkolzin and obviously Hoggy is going to get his shot there.
That versatility is nice...but it's also indicative of a player who is just another utility "filler" jack of all trades type. They did well enough with Suter though, so i guess we'll see.
Guys like Heinen, Pius Suter et al are not the sort of guys you want to lock in with term. You do 1-2 year deals, hope to harvest that surplus value for a year or two, and then move on. They're not difference-makers and they don't have an important, defined role. They're pure "filler". I actually really like the way this regime has managed to stay so "agile" when it comes to these types of utility/filler players. You don't want them potentially blocking the way for impact players, dedicated role players, or young players pushing their way up. You want to be able to ditch them or watch away at any point in the deal very easily.
Yeah. A lot of teams, i don't think this is a good signing. But the way Tocchet runs his bench and the way Ruthervin seem to be building the team to suit that...it's just quite the hodgepodge. It does create some addition potential spots in the lineup for utility/filler guys like Heinen, Suter, etc.
Yeah, he came into the NHL as a soft NCAA skill guy who was a borderline 2nd liner who didn't seem like he had much bottom-6 utility but has reprofiled considerably to stay in the NHL and be an effective contributor on an elite, systems-based team like Boston was last year - played mid-leverage minutes there (only 45% zone starts), hit totals are basically double what they were earlier in his career, now is a pretty regular PK contributor.
Here's a total shot in the dark thought, but all this talk makes me wonder if guys like Heinen and Suter are who we should actually be playing Pettersson with instead of Hoglander and DeBrusk. as we've talked a lot about how big of a mismatch most players (especially straight-line players) are with Pettersson, and how he works best playing off of higher level hockey sense, deception and anticipation.
DeBrusk - Miller - Boeser line could be outright dominant, as well, and could create quite an identity with two guys bull-dozing the way DeBrusk and Miller do.
@VanIsle puny puny punyI remember as a rookie that a lot of Bruins fans thought he was a great all around player, on the boards and with his stick, with comparisons to Eriksson, Bergeron and Axelsson. Seems like that changed a bit down the stretch, in the playoffs and continued into his sophomore year. Maybe he always had it in him to be a more rounded player but it took some adversity for him to keep the effort needed to be that guy.
Player Discussion - Danton Heinen
So the team has trouble with secondary scoring, they call up Heinen who gets 3 assists in 3 games, looks great in the bottom 6, and gets sent down. Don’t get me wrong I want to see what Agostino and Cehlarik can do, but if Heinen plays center which I’ve heard he can, he should be in over Kuraly...forums.hfboards.com
Here’s the Bruins thread on Heinen, going back to his rookie year you can see how highly they praised him.
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I've heard this a lot, but there's no way they don't try DeBrusk with Pettersson to start, in my opinion. Allvin pretty much already said that. Maybe it doesn't work and he ends up on the top line, but it will be Pettersson-DeBrusk to start.
Here's a total shot in the dark thought, but all this talk makes me wonder if guys like Heinen and Suter are who we should actually be playing Pettersson with instead of Hoglander and DeBrusk. as we've talked a lot about how big of a mismatch most players (especially straight-line players) are with Pettersson, and how he works best playing off of higher level hockey sense, deception and anticipation.
DeBrusk - Miller - Boeser line could be outright dominant, as well, and could create quite an identity with two guys bull-dozing the way DeBrusk and Miller do.