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Do you believe it is fair to judge Myers as a Canucks defenceman before he’s ever played a game for them?
I believe it's fair to judge him as a defenseman based on the 600+ games he's played.
Do you believe it is fair to judge Myers as a Canucks defenceman before he’s ever played a game for them?
one of my favourite things is watching how new acq1uisitions mesh with a team. it is unpredictable and can definitely move the dial.
for example, gudbranson actually proves you are wrong. he played worse here than he did in florida or, so far, in pittsburgh. eriksson also proves you wrong. he came here, and the system and linemates nullified the guy's offensive skillset. schaller is another guy. gaunce is now on the bubble to make the bruins.
the bottom line here is that everyone can see myers is a high event guy in both zones. the interesting part is going to be whether our system and his team mates exacerbates or moderates his dzone issues compared to the jets. i assume the canucks pro scouts were aware this guy does not walk on water and think his positives outweigh the negatives. there are certainly plenty in winnipeg who still think so. i am very curious particularly whether green's system will help or hinder the guy.
A nonsensical argument. There are countless players who have had a change to their career after switching teams. Sometimes good, and sometimes bad (as shown in another post).
Do you think yesterday's game is the starting baseline? He's played two other preseason games, are those the outliers?No, that would be impossible, as you well know. However, it is completely fair to have a baseline understanding of this player to this point. Do you have one? Have you seen him play?
Among older player sure you have some guys that get rejuvenated or something. But it's not countless players. It's some players. Now balance that against the actual countless numbers of players that remain on the exact same trajectories.
Now of course one waits to see if Myers joins the group of unicorns or if he's the same old horse he always was. Time will tell that. But that doesn't mean one can't make predictions based on available data and dislike the signing based on that data. Or that they can't use aspects of his play so far in the pre-season as confirmation of the strengths and flaws to his game. He was awful last night. Like really bad. And pre-season or not you really don't want to see that at any time of year.
If we can't discuss based on available data then every thread that got started would end when someone posts "well we just have to wait and see". A discussion board then no longer exists.
And what discussion is that? Seems pretty clear to me that many have already made up their minds. The games are just a formality at this point.
Yes people have made up their minds that Myers is a bad signing based on the evidence of his 600+ games of experience thus far. That's what people do...judge and assess based on the evidence available.
Now if evidence comes to the forefront that changes that assessment it will be taken into account and opinions changed accordingly. That happens all the time.
And it goes the other way as well. Contracts that look good initially may not look so good as they play out and those opinions also change.
It's not some offensive thing for someone to "have their mind made up" based on what's available to them. The issue comes when one is not open to receiving new information and having their mind changed based on that info.
I can guarantee for the large majority of posters that is not the case. Yes we have our thoughts on Myers the player and the contract. Those of us who dislike one or both would love nothing more to be proven wrong because it means the pro scouting did a good job on this target. It means the team does better.
Do you believe it is fair to judge Myers as a Canucks defenceman before he’s ever played a game for them?
Do you think yesterday's game is the starting baseline? He's played two other preseason games, are those the outliers?
I believe it's fair to judge him as a defenseman based on the 600+ games he's played.
This is fair. Everyone has opinions. Best we all remember that’s what they are, opinions.
Would you consider his performance in the pre-season to be indicative of his future play one way or the other?
So like, since the Canucks are (rightly or wrongly) in win now mode:
If Travis walks into Jim's office before the regular season opener and says "We have a problem. Myers is not one of our 6 best Dmen. I'm starting Biega." What happens? Can management be embarrassed like that?
Which opposing management commandment would Benning apologists go with?
1. Win games now
2. Myers is a Top 4 Dman
Myers will play. You know he will play. He will play on crutches.
Contrary to what most would expect from me, I'm still a fan of this signing. Finding top four defensemen in this league is next to impossible. You either draft them, you trade for them when they're young or you pay out the ass for them on the free agent market.
This team has had defensive issues for years and years. It has been a plague for this franchise that this team just doesn't have enough NHL caliber bodies year after year. While Myers is a one dimensional defenseman with some gaffs in his game, adding another competent veteran who can play 18-20 minutes a night is a positive. Myers is an offensive defenseman who has always had criticisms leveled against his physicality and defensive play. But at least the Canucks finally made the blueline a priority. Sure, they let the best and ironically cheapest option walk to the best team in the league in a stroke of pure genius. But I don't find Myers to be that much of a problem.
Among older player sure you have some guys that get rejuvenated or something. But it's not countless players. It's some players. Now balance that against the actual countless numbers of players that remain on the exact same trajectories.
Now of course one waits to see if Myers joins the group of unicorns or if he's the same old horse he always was. Time will tell that. But that doesn't mean one can't make predictions based on available data and dislike the signing based on that data. Or that they can't use aspects of his play so far in the pre-season as confirmation of the strengths and flaws to his game. He was awful last night. Like really bad. And pre-season or not you really don't want to see that at any time of year.
If we can't discuss based on available data then every thread that got started would end when someone posts "well we just have to wait and see". A discussion board then no longer exists.
What's the over-under on the day the posts change from "give him a chance" to "he must be injured" when his play is as advertisd?
Gives you a fighting chance to earn more points in comebacks
Not sure i understand how he was getting destroyed in Buffalo.It’s totally fair to judge him as a player based on his 11 years in the league and multitude of times we’ve all seen him play.
Like, if we’d somehow signed Panarin, would you be calling out the people who were super happy about it and stoked after he dominated a preseason game and saying ‘Wait a minute guys! It’s total BS to judge him as good before he’s played a meaningful game in a Canuck uniform!’
Also, while some players do thrive in new situations, it’s generally guys who were put in bad positions in previous organizations who were then put in positions to succeed in new ones. Myers looks to be the reverse - coming from a top organization where he was getting sheltered minutes to hide his defensive warts to a bad one who wants to play him in the sort of tough defensive minutes where he was destroyed previously in Buffalo.
Do you believe it is fair to judge Myers as a Canucks defenceman before he’s ever played a game for them?