Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

[ChaoticOrange]

a lot of what you are attributing to the team is outside noise they cannot control rather than what is actually happening. you could fault them for not cultivating a lapdog local media to control the narrative i suppose but the majority of the current media noise comes from the east coast and twitter is twitter, and the current canuck regime has been woodshedding the local media since they arrived. plus, vancouver is a major sophisticated city and does not have a chip on its shoulder. you just do not have the control over media coverage you can achieve in smaller more parochial markets that have third rate media talent covering hockey who can be bought with free nachos and a fanbase which has a natural mentality to automatically close ranks against outsiders.

as to the actual situation, it's obviously more subtle than you think. the team quit on the ice a couple of games ago, forcing management to react. they had another pathetic outing last night. they are potentially going to lose other players over miller and maybe the coach and down the road hughes is on radar. they may have to make a damage control move to staunch the bleeding

i think they have had a brutal series of choices. just look at the fact they seriously investigated moving pettersson and publicly said so, a guy they signed for $11m longterm half a minute ago. a situation bad enough that this would be a choice to consider is not something that puts you in a strong bargaining position.

Generally a fair post in all, but with the bolded, Drance said not long ago that this was the easiest and softest media environment he can remember being around that team.

Caught some of the Nucks game last night after my Oilers got stonewalled by Thompson and the Caps. It might have been the worst I've ever seen Quinn Hughes play. He's clearly still playing hurt and shouldn't be.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Generally a fair post in all, but with the bolded, Drance said not long ago that this was the easiest and softest media environment he can remember being around that team.

Caught some of the Nucks game last night after my Oilers got stonewalled by Thompson and the Caps. It might have been the worst I've ever seen Quinn Hughes play. He's clearly still playing hurt and shouldn't be.

yes, they have absolutely tightened down on the local media and they have tried to control outside coverage by feeding friedman. but there's too many to control and the market is too volatile. and then if they get linked to a rangers rumour there's a whole other level of coverage they can't stop.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I dont know what the rush is.

Canucks are not a Cup team with this roster.

If the offers are scrubs like Chytil ,Lindgren , Kotkaniemi etc then just hang on to Miller and wait until the summer .

More Cap, more cap space, more teams wanting Miller. Better offers..


The only reason the Canucks should deal Miller now is they get an offer they can refuse.

Likely they are trying to deal Miller now so they can try and get a 1st round pick so they can have 2x 1st round pick as bullets at the trade deadline.

 

[Viking10]

And that is where the deal dies. Johnston is a hard no.

Hintz?

 

[604]

Generally a fair post in all, but with the bolded, Drance said not long ago that this was the easiest and softest media environment he can remember being around that team.

Caught some of the Nucks game last night after my Oilers got stonewalled by Thompson and the Caps. It might have been the worst I've ever seen Quinn Hughes play. He's clearly still playing hurt and shouldn't be.

Well, you saw him play hurt in a 1st star performance against your Oilers two days ago.

Agree, he’s hurt and doing his best…been hurt since prior to Christmas.

 

[Diablo2020]

Hintz?

Dude as a Canuck fan looooower those expectations.

A week ago I compared a JT trade to Tomas Hertl.

A recent #32 overall and future #32 overall.

Plus capspace, hoping the Canucks wouldnt retain on Miller in our case.

People threw up. Jt is a 100 point center, Hertl is always injured, blah blah blah.

Capspace and two 1sts. Thats best we can hope for I said. Distressed asset but still a top player.

Then it comes out hes close to being traded..

In one week weve gone from Lafreniere, Schneider, proepects, 1st?..

To Chytil, Lindgren, prospects, 1st, where the conditions caused the deal to fail..

And now reports the retained salary on Miller is where it failed..

We cant even get Chytil, Lindgren, and a protected 1st that might also be 2026 protected for a retained JT Miller buddy, and you think Dallas is sending Hintz, if not Wyatt Johnston?

Think Marchment, who will be pissed, and pray for Lian Bichsel and their 1st. No protections no retained.

Think Bonino, Sbisa, Dorsett, 1st and we throw in our 3rd..

 

[The don godfather]

Kk and a first with some decent prospect is a solid deal for nucks. Kk is decent only 24.

 

[mdobbs]

Kk and a first with some decent prospect is a solid deal for nucks. Kk is decent only 24.

KK is trash and looks like he has a ceiling of a 3rd line center at this point

 

[Sigurd]

As a Canes fan saying this knowing it won’t have any impact on real world negotiations, Kotkaniemi sucks. People will say he’s a defensively responsible guy who is capable at face offs and will be serviceable as a 3C, or that he’s a u25 player who still has time on his side to develop and bloom. Fact of the matter is he just doesn’t have it and if a deal gets done where he’s the center piece coming back for moving on from Miller, Nucks fans need to pray the rest of the deal makes up for it.

Just kidding, he scored both goals and won us the game. Think a one for one deal makes more sense after last night’s performance.

Keep up the criticisms of KK; I think it's helping us with his trade value. He won us two games in a row (more so last night though with Carolina's only goals coming from him), and he has 3 goals in the past 2 games.

Maybe he lurks on HF and read your comment

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Keep up the criticisms of KK; I think it's helping us with his trade value. He won us two games in a row (more so last night though with Carolina's only goals coming from him), and he has 3 goals in the past 2 games.

Maybe he lurks on HF and read your comment

...always thinking of you, signed The Montreal Canadiens

 

[The don godfather]

KK is trash and looks like he has a ceiling of a 3rd line center at this point

I'd trade trent for him in a flash.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Dude as a Canuck fan looooower those expectations.

A week ago I compared a JT trade to Tomas Hertl.

A recent #32 overall and future #32 overall.

Plus capspace, hoping the Canucks wouldnt retain on Miller in our case.

People threw up. Jt is a 100 point center, Hertl is always injured, blah blah blah.

Capspace and two 1sts. Thats best we can hope for I said. Distressed asset but still a top player.

Then it comes out hes close to being traded..

In one week weve gone from Lafreniere, Schneider, proepects, 1st?..

To Chytil, Lindgren, prospects, 1st, where the conditions caused the deal to fail..

And now reports the retained salary on Miller is where it failed..

We cant even get Chytil, Lindgren, and a protected 1st that might also be 2026 protected for a retained JT Miller buddy, and you think Dallas is sending Hintz, if not Wyatt Johnston?

Think Marchment, who will be pissed, and pray for Lian Bichsel and their 1st. No protections no retained.

Think Bonino, Sbisa, Dorsett, 1st and we throw in our 3rd..

It was in reference to a Pettersson trade….

 

[Irie]

I mean…that 32 player is coming off two near 100 point seasons and would make NJ a serious contender for the next 3 years.

I think that if you are trading for a 32 year old player, who had a couple of 100 point seasons in the last three years, it is important to look at where those points were coming from, and if 30%+ of them were on the PP, it is important to keep in mind that players almost never replicate that type of PP production on a different team with a different PP unit.

In Miller's case, his 100 point seasons were seasons in which almost 40% of his points were on the PP, (in which he was obviously a catalyst for), but other teams may find it quite hard to plug him into their PP and duplicate those results.

Add in the fact that he is at the age where 95% of NHL players start to experience heavy declines, and his point totals are down this season, and interested GMs may be a bit weary of offering the kind of return I was questioning.

 

[Diablo2020]

It was in reference to a Pettersson trade….

Doh! My bad.

 

[Rowlet]

Wow it’s almost like his value is dropping every day. I still remember when Nucks fans wanted Matthews for Miller.


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The reasoning wasn't because Miller was worth Matthews, it's because the Canucks need to get a centre back... and the team can't afford to shed another 6m to account for the difference between Miller and Marner.

 

[blankall]

I think that if you are trading for a 32 year old player, who had a couple of 100 point seasons in the last three years, it is important to look at where those points were coming from, and if 30%+ of them were on the PP, it is important to keep in mind that players almost never replicate that type of PP production on a different team with a different PP unit.

In Miller's case, his 100 point seasons were seasons in which almost 40% of his points were on the PP, (in which he was obviously a catalyst for), but other teams may find it quite hard to plug him into their PP and duplicate those results.

Add in the fact that he is at the age where 95% of NHL players start to experience heavy declines, and his point totals are down this season, and interested GMs may be a bit weary of offering the kind of return I was questioning.

The older a player gets, the more relevant his current production becomes. If an older player has declining numbers, the odds of him picking up those numbers are far less than they would be for a younger player.

 

[spockBokk]

Kotkaniemi may just really be a bottom 6 C who’s good for 40-ish points per season. That’s certainly not trash, but also certainly not very exciting.

As a Canes’ fan, I like him better long term than Jack Drury, but I don’t think Brind’Amour does. Drury certainly is many times cheaper. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think Kotkaniemi is horribly overpaid for what he brings, he just always leaves you wanting more when he shows flashes every now and again.

He’s not very exciting as a return for Miller, but it doesn’t sound like the return will end up being that exciting. I have my doubts the Canes would pull the trigger on Kotkaniemi ++ for Miller anyway, but it’s something to talk about at least.

 

[StickShift]

At this point—I wonder if the Canucks are better off just firing the coach and finding someone who can actually make the room work.

Tocchet has looked woefully unprepared for the challenges he has faced this season. It feels like he has very few buttons to press and he’s already pressed them. Perhaps not quite the caliber of coach that he was made out to be.