Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

[Kcb12345]

Is this confirmed? Haven't seen anything else posted. Sorry if it was earlier just couldn't see it when I went back.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If a deal with the Rangers can become resurrected, I think it's very difficult. I don't think it's a fit between these teams.

Essentially the only way it makes sense for the Rangers includes Zibanejad. Maybe that's with a futures sweetener back to the Canucks, but that's still a difficult deal to make happen.

The discussed "Chytil, Sykora, Chmelar for Miller deal" people were talking about may not be bad from a value perspective for the Rangers, but it still creates all sort of cap problems going into next year with three high priced 32 year old centers, two of which are very risky propositions (and that's a generous way of putting it for Zibanejad).

I really don't see how it makes any sense to include Lafreniere or Schneider like the Canucks want. That doesn't solve any of the Rangers problems to make that deal. The team isn't in this "panic, spin the wheel and find a trade" mode people think. They're playing their best hockey all season. Arguably the best hockey in the league the last few weeks. No team makes some "YOLO' trade then.

 

[Stephen]

I don't think he gets moved but calling him a 70-80 point player is a bit misleading.
He's like top 10 in scoring since joining the nucks.

This has been a tough season for us nuck fans but at the end of the day we are a point out of the playoffs despite not icing a full lineup once this season and two games with our 5 best players.

Demko should only get better and if the team can build off Saturday's win there is zero reason to trade a legit 1C, especially for a shit package.

I doubt stars fans feel the need unload Robertson for a loss despite a poor season by his standards with the only difference being the absolutely shit media causing shit here.

Whether the Canucks choose to move JT Miller, Elias Pettersson, or keep both is none of my business, I have no preference for the team to choose one or the other or to keep them both and make it work, nor do I think my team would be in a position to acquire either.

All I'm saying is with the drama involved, if there's a motivated seller on Vancouver's end, and it's Miller going out the door, the eBay listing isn't going to be a "top 10 scorer in the NHL."

 

[LemonSauceD]

There’s nothing from the Rangers that interests me. Chytil is 1 real hard body check away from ending his career, Schneider is not a good defensive player, and Lafreniere is about as mid as you can get. KAM screams Tyler Myers 2.0. No real good prospects.

Bruins and Stars are better.

 

[thefutures]

There’s nothing from the Rangers that interests me. Chytil is 1 real hard body check away from ending his career, Schneider is not a good defensive player, and Lafreniere is about as mid as you can get. KAM screams Tyler Myers 2.0. No real good prospects.

Bruins and Stars are better.

JTM had a career high of 56 playing for the Rangers over 5 years, pretty mid at the time too. I'd love to get Laf, not writing his upside off at all. Bruins got the least appealing pieces to me.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

There’s nothing from the Rangers that interests me. Chytil is 1 real hard body check away from ending his career, Schneider is not a good defensive player, and Lafreniere is about as mid as you can get. KAM screams Tyler Myers 2.0. No real good prospects.

Bruins and Stars are better.

Lafreniere would definitely be interesting, 23 year old with great ability. I'd be surprised if the Rangers move him after signing him to that long-term deal but if he's available I think the Canucks would do it given his familiarity with Castonguay.

Aside from Laf; Chytil I agree on, looks great but injury concerns are there. Schneider & their 1st are also interesting but Schneider has always seemed to be a no-go, and I'm sure any 1st coming back has protection anyways. KAM intrigues me but wouldn't be my #1 target.

 

[AirGut]

If a deal with the Rangers can become resurrected, I think it's very difficult. I don't think it's a fit between these teams.

Essentially the only way it makes sense for the Rangers includes Zibanejad. Maybe that's with a futures sweetener back to the Canucks, but that's still a difficult deal to make happen.

The discussed "Chytil, Sykora, Chmelar for Miller deal" people were talking about may not be bad from a value perspective for the Rangers, but it still creates all sort of cap problems going into next year with three high priced 32 year old centers, two of which are very risky propositions (and that's a generous way of putting it for Zibanejad).

I really don't see how it makes any sense to include Lafreniere or Schneider like the Canucks want. That doesn't solve any of the Rangers problems to make that deal. The team isn't in this "panic, spin the wheel and find a trade" mode people think. They're playing their best hockey all season. Arguably the best hockey in the league the last few weeks. No team makes some "YOLO' trade then.

This is J.T.'s world now, we're just living in it. He controls everything in this process. "Fits" don't exactly matter anymore when a player speaks his mind about where he wants to spend the next 5+ years to grind for a Cup.

I, for one, think NYR & VAN make just fine trading partners. Rangers have spending money and the Rangers have a ton of chips to throw in the pool. Rangers have been trying to make that one "big move" for about 4 years straight. Unfortunately all of this hinges on who's playing greedy and who's playing fair given the situation and the drama surrounding it. Allvin, Rutherford, & Drury need to come to an agreement that doesn't further exacerbate the drama to the media and fanbase on both sides. That's not easy in today's world.

 

[Djp]

8 million in 3 years will be nothing. NHL removed escrow from players and cap going way up next 3 years. In fact the discussion is the NHL may have to say how high before trade deadline so GMA know.

Miller's is a top 10 player ... his cap gets gets cheaper ... meanwhile look at what Marner wants and then Mc David and in and in. so stop your nonsense mate

When the cap increases, as has happened in other sports, the stars get the money. You might have a slight inc on ELCs and bridges but you will only have so much for those vets ln the middle.

Having $7M in dead space/ negative ROI due to miller will result in costing the team some UFA or forcing to trade another player

 

[Regal]

Here is the thing, this is real life not NHL 25. Dressing room dynamics and team make up are an important factor.. so on paper your reasoning makes sense and I agree but in real life it won't happen. Jim Nill will not make that trade.

The entire reason these guys are available is because of the dynamics of players/issues.. so why would a GM go out to create an issue for his own team?

Yea, usually those deals of established player trades are only made if both players have issues, whether locker room or contract or both, like the Laine for Dubois, or a position of strength for a position of weakness. Miller’s shown a higher level, but not substantially so to take the personality risk to make that kind of move, especially with the age difference. If it was a higher level player like a Barkov, then you probably consider it even if there are attitude questions.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'm afraid of what Drury might do here. Seems out of his depth.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is J.T.'s world now, we're just living in it. He controls everything in this process. "Fits" don't exactly matter anymore when a player speaks his mind about where he wants to spend the next 5+ years to grind for a Cup.

I, for one, think NYR & VAN make just fine trading partners. Rangers have spending money and the Rangers have a ton of chips to throw in the pool. Rangers have been trying to make that one "big move" for about 4 years straight. Unfortunately all of this hinges on who's playing greedy and who's playing fair given the situation and the drama surrounding it. Allvin, Rutherford, & Drury need to come to an agreement that doesn't further exacerbate the drama to the media and fanbase on both sides. That's not easy in today's world.

You have to actually consider the players on both rosters that could be traded. This isn't only about JTM.

The Rangers quite literally have their top 6 centers. They simply aren't good enough. Actually, one of them isn't good enough (Trocheck is a decent 2C). Unless it's an exchange there involving Miller and Zibanejad, there's no sense in that from the Rangers perspective.

What do you do after this season when the team doesn't win the Cup and they have over 22M locked up in 3 centers who are 32 years old and declining? That's not a tenable situation. I trust that Drury isn't trading for that. Trading Chytil and some crap for Miller doesn't advance the team forward.

 

[Regal]

Feel like last season was definitely forgotten there.

Not only that but he had 99 points two years before that. Two of the last 3 years before this one he’s been a ~100 point player. I’m not sure why the poster is talking about 5 years ago like he peaked at 27 and has been declining since

 

[Fatass]

I'm afraid of what Drury might do here. Seems out of his depth.

Yup. Could be a lot worse than the Kakko trade.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

You have to actually consider the players on both rosters that could be traded. This isn't only about JTM.

The Rangers quite literally have their top 6 centers. They simply aren't good enough. Actually, one of them isn't good enough (Trocheck is a decent 2C). Unless it's an exchange there involving Miller and Zibanejad, there's no sense in that from the Rangers perspective.

What do you do after this season when the team doesn't win the Cup and they have over 22M locked up in 3 centers who are 32 years old and declining? That's not a tenable situation. I trust that Drury isn't trading for that. Trading Chytil and some crap for Miller doesn't advance the team forward.

Yeah, id take Miller in a swap for Zib, but that's a win for the Rangers.

 

[Bgav]

I'm afraid of what Drury might do here. Seems out of his depth.

The deal would have been done yesterday if it was the rangers IMO. You guys are safe now lol

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yup. Could be a lot worse than the Kakko trade.

You mean the trade that shored up his defense and has the team flying since making the deal?

 

[Regal]

Whether the Canucks choose to move JT Miller, Elias Pettersson, or keep both is none of my business, I have no preference for the team to choose one or the other or to keep them both and make it work, nor do I think my team would be in a position to acquire either.

All I'm saying is with the drama involved, if there's a motivated seller on Vancouver's end, and it's Miller going out the door, the eBay listing isn't going to be a "top 10 scorer in the NHL."

He’s been top 10 in 2 of the last 3 years before this one, and coming into the year he was 10th overall over those 3 years combined. The drama and performance this year will certainly lower the price tag but some people are underselling him

 

[Tawnos]

If a deal with the Rangers can become resurrected, I think it's very difficult. I don't think it's a fit between these teams.

Essentially the only way it makes sense for the Rangers includes Zibanejad. Maybe that's with a futures sweetener back to the Canucks, but that's still a difficult deal to make happen.

The discussed "Chytil, Sykora, Chmelar for Miller deal" people were talking about may not be bad from a value perspective for the Rangers, but it still creates all sort of cap problems going into next year with three high priced 32 year old centers, two of which are very risky propositions (and that's a generous way of putting it for Zibanejad).

I really don't see how it makes any sense to include Lafreniere or Schneider like the Canucks want. That doesn't solve any of the Rangers problems to make that deal. The team isn't in this "panic, spin the wheel and find a trade" mode people think. They're playing their best hockey all season. Arguably the best hockey in the league the last few weeks. No team makes some "YOLO' trade then.

I'd obviously like it taken care of sooner than this, but for the Rangers the cap situation would be taken care of during the summer. That would be the latest, but it really isn't a barrier to making the trade now even if Zibanejad isn't going the other way (I wish he would).

 

[gump116]

Yeah, id take Miller in a swap for Zib, but that's a win for the Rangers.

Blockers to that are getting Zib to waive and how much do the Rangers have to add to him to get Miller. No idea how much value each of them has with their ages, contract lengths, NTC and cultural issues. Zibanejad probably has negative value at this point. Does Miller as well?

Is something like Zib + Schneider for Miller in the ballpark? Way too much or too little?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'd obviously like it taken care of sooner than this, but for the Rangers the cap situation would be taken care of during the summer. That would be the latest, but it really isn't a barrier to making the trade now even if Zibanejad isn't going the other way (I wish he would).

It kind of is because you can't just will your way into trading a player with a NMC. I guess Drury thinks he can and has had success in doing so, but I think with Zibanejad it'll be even more difficult because it's a bigger contract with more years, a worse buyout (making the threat more hollow), and unlike Trouba he actually seems like he's doesn't give a f*** about his career anymore and is completely content in his mediocrity. Trouba wasn't even saying no to waiving in the past. It was that his wife was saying no.

And the alternative that it doesn't work out and you're stuck with 3 32 year olds on the decline taking up over 22M of your cap is not a tenable situation in the slightest. They may not even be a good center core next year after further decline, let alone this year. You can't punt something like that down the road. You need to deal with it upfront.

 

[Three On Zero]

If they can find the same fire and intensity they played with last night? Everyone stays. Miller played well, Pettersson played well, Demko had one of his better games.

 

[qc14]

You have to actually consider the players on both rosters that could be traded. This isn't only about JTM.

The Rangers quite literally have their top 6 centers. They simply aren't good enough. Actually, one of them isn't good enough (Trocheck is a decent 2C). Unless it's an exchange there involving Miller and Zibanejad, there's no sense in that from the Rangers perspective.

What do you do after this season when the team doesn't win the Cup and they have over 22M locked up in 3 centers who are 32 years old and declining? That's not a tenable situation. I trust that Drury isn't trading for that. Trading Chytil and some crap for Miller doesn't advance the team forward.

Have the moves the Rangers have made since Drury became GM really struck you as those of a team with a good plan or concern for the future or good cap management? They've been a reactionary mess basically his entire tenure with the brief exception of last season. They absolutely would commit 22M locked up in 3 centers who are 32.

 

[Nucker42]

Still waiting for someone to confirm if the deal is dead And the Rangers are out….

All we know if it was close and is off now…. But off and dead are totally different.

Also interesting how quiet it is again around the team… makes me think they are still working on it.

 

[kanucks25]

There’s nothing from the Rangers that interests me. Chytil is 1 real hard body check away from ending his career, Schneider is not a good defensive player, and Lafreniere is about as mid as you can get. KAM screams Tyler Myers 2.0. No real good prospects.

Bruins and Stars are better.

What exactly do the Bruins have that would interest us? Talk about "as mid as you can get".

 

[DeltaSwede]

If they can find the same fire and intensity they played with last night? Everyone stays. Miller played well, Pettersson played well, Demko had one of his better games.

Yup and these rumors will die down with it.

I'm really not even close to being convinced the Canucks are actively looking to move anyone at this point.