his mean streak more resembles Ohlund, his puck skills aren't at Ohlund and Edler's level but it seems like his skating is better than both. Obviously still too early but hopefully defensively he can be as good as Ohlund, that part of the game seems more achievable.
Prospect Info: Canucks select D Elias Pettersson , 3rd Round, 80th Overall, 2022
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ephmrl
5th overall.
He’s significantly more valuable as a player for us than anything he’d return in a trade. It’s much easier to find a scoring winger than an Elias Pettersson on defense, and other teams almost never trade young d men who can chew minutes.
If they were to include a d man in a trade it would much more likely be Kudryatsev or Mynio.
logan5
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Exactly. That's why his value would be high. And to respond to another person, I'm certain other teams are just as aware as a bunch of Canuck fans of how good Pettersson is.
It isn't likely we get Mitch Marner in FA, and getting Tyler Toffoli or Jared McCann isn't going to get us a SC, so we have to bite the bullet and trade Pettersson or Willander in order to get real quality players that teams don't normally give up.
ephmrl
5th overall.
Having an Ekholm-lite at 21 years old greatly extends the teams competitive window more than whatever player they’d get back in a trade.
I think EP2 is close to untouchable at this point.
That is not going to happen with those two, especially with Hughes going to NJ to play with his brothers.
VancouverJagger
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No some posters were saying his value is not what it should be given his draft day pedigree - if he was a top 15 pick he'd be looked at differently.
Def. shouldn't even consider moving him barring an extreme overpayment - there are other ways to improve the team he would be far down on my list of assets to move in order to do so
It always amazes me how some people want to trade a guy for imaginary 'immediate help' as soon as shows any promise at all.
Centers and impact d-men are almost impossible to find in the draft. It's tough enough to unearth one in the first round. By the time you hit the third round--you've got about as much chance as this week's lottery ticket numbers.
But for the same reason, it's often the same with Wilander on these Boards. Deal him now to get some 'middling forward' who won't move the needle much at all, but might get you closer to the lowest rung of the playoff bar.
With Wilander on the right side and EP25 on the left--you've potentially got a shutdown pairing that might last the better part of a decade or more. All that's required is a little patience.
But more than half the battle--is scouting and actually drafting them in the first place.
Centers and impact d-men are almost impossible to find in the draft. It's tough enough to unearth one in the first round. By the time you hit the third round--you've got about as much chance as this week's lottery ticket numbers.
But for the same reason, it's often the same with Wilander on these Boards. Deal him now to get some 'middling forward' who won't move the needle much at all, but might get you closer to the lowest rung of the playoff bar.
With Wilander on the right side and EP25 on the left--you've potentially got a shutdown pairing that might last the better part of a decade or more. All that's required is a little patience.
But more than half the battle--is scouting and actually drafting them in the first place.
Yup. He looks like a top-pairing high-leverage stud for the next decade and Ekholm is a very reasonable upside projection for him at this point. You do not trade him.
logan5
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How do you propose we fix our top 6? We aren't going to get Marner in free agency, and you end up overpaying for guys in FA. Getting guys like Toffoli and McCann can be had for cheap, but they won't get us a SC. Pettersson would get us more than middling forward. To get real quality players, you have to give up quality. We are in a position to do that, given our depth at D.
I don't know what the best answer is, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it isn't trading a future top-pairing defender at this stage of his development.
VancouverJagger
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He's WAY down your list of options to trade to upgrade our top 6 and undoubtedly you should find something else to do.
Personally I would try to move Garland a prospect and a draft pic or 2 to get a top 6 player. This is feasible and a lot more efficient move imo..........Garland probably has the most value out of guys you could trade on the roster that you can live with moving........Garland,a 2nd and a 3rd and Mynio? Swap the pics to a first if we need to. Very doable
ChilliBilly
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I am for the most part against trading any of our assets at this time. But if someone makes a massive overpayment, you shouldn't say so.
But Hughes Hronek MP EP2 and Willander as your top 5 D is insane .... we are going to be a very tough team to play against next. year. Myers as your #6 and Forbert in the wings? And Demko healthy, and Lankinen as top grade backup?
We can also expect Sassons, Raty and Lekk to be regulars next year. If EP40 comes close to returning to form, we are going to do much better next season.
Edit - And I didn't even mention Mancini ... who should be a great 6th in 2 years.
But Hughes Hronek MP EP2 and Willander as your top 5 D is insane .... we are going to be a very tough team to play against next. year. Myers as your #6 and Forbert in the wings? And Demko healthy, and Lankinen as top grade backup?
We can also expect Sassons, Raty and Lekk to be regulars next year. If EP40 comes close to returning to form, we are going to do much better next season.
Edit - And I didn't even mention Mancini ... who should be a great 6th in 2 years.
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logan5
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I would counter that by saying we need Garland. He is one of our best forwards. We trade Garland and some picks and a prospect to get a player that is a bit better than Garland. That doesn't fix our top 6. We need to add to our forward group without losing any of our good forwards. We don't have the depth at F to do that, but we do on D.
This forward group can't score goals.
One of the prevailing myths is there's actually a team in the NHL with a legitimate top-two center or an impact scoring winger, who's willing to trade them for a couple of d-men who've yet to make their mark in the league.
Sure, there's a lot of forwards or centers who've scored in the past, but are currently under-performing their contracts. Teams are always willing to trade those guys. But are they really going to move the needle much just because they join the Canucks?
Jake Debrusk offers a cautionary tale. Although the Canucks eventually signed him as a UFA, he's been reportedly on the trade block for the last couple of seasons. And when his contract was up, the Bruins didn't make much effort to re-sign him.
And in Vancouver, he's essentially what he was in Boston. He's a guy who will get you 25 goals most seasons, and will get hot in stretches of the season. But at other times you have to check the lineup card to even figure out if he actually played.
At 27-years old--he is what he is. A season or two ago, would you have traded Wilander or EP25 for him? I'm sure a lot of people would be cheering a deal like this.
But sadly there are few shortcuts. Canucks will probably add a forward or two this summer. But radically altering your top-six via the trade route, just isn't in the cards.
M2Beezy
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So in 2025-26 our d would be:
Hughes Hronek
MPettersson Myers
EPettersson Juulsen (Mancini, Willander)
Thats pretty good
Hughes Hronek
MPettersson Myers
EPettersson Juulsen (Mancini, Willander)
Thats pretty good
I feel triggeredSo in 2025-26 our d would be:
Hughes Hronek
MPettersson Myers
EPettersson Juulsen (Mancini, Willander)
Thats pretty good
VancouverJagger
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Yeah agree we need Garland and ideally we would keep him however what other piece outside of him up front is going to be valuable enough to be used as a trade chip for a top 6 forward? Hoglander? Nope..........Lekk? (he's almost in the same category as Youngster you don't want to trade him).
So yeah this is gonna hurt somewhere and if someone has to go my vote would be Garland......simply because he's one of the few pieces with some solid value upfront that we could afford to trade.
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With our prospect system looking so strong on the left side, it does make me unfortunately think that he might be the guy at the Canucks will dangle with our first to improve our centre position.
You are trading the 2025 and 2026 first rounders before you are touching EP2 and Willander. Plans A, B, C, D, E and F have to fail before you get to that thinking. It's an absolute boon to have what could be 3 young cost-controlled D-men in your top 7.
With a strong blueline+strong goaltending you can get by and be patient as you search for forward help.
With a strong blueline+strong goaltending you can get by and be patient as you search for forward help.
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I agree, but can you really find a good enough centre for just a 1st or 2?
Any team that’s remotely competitive is not gonna do it.
So you have to look towards a rebuilding team, and do it before the draft.
It’s very very difficult to do
PuckMunchkin
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The team is in such a weird position, I dont think anyone has a clue what they should do from here on out.
Who are these mythical centers? I look over other teams on Puckpedia fairly often, and I can't identify any.
I suppose you could always acquire a reclamation project like Trevor Zegras, Filip Chytil or Elias Pettersson, and hope they bounce back; or maybe a Ryan O'Reilly who's nearing the end of the road in Nashville. But sorry. True impact centers simply don't exist via trade. Because teams simply aren't willing to give them up.
In Marcus Pettersson, Myers, Hronek, D-Petey, Wilander and maybe Mancini, it would still be one of the better bluelines in the league--even without Quinn Hughes.
Of course the Canucks will roll up the Brinks truck when Hughes contact is up in two years. And if he wants to stay--great. But if he doesn't, there really isn't much the Canucks can do.
You simply can't sacrifice your future--even for a player as great as Quinn Hughes.
If you are going forward with EP1 as your top center than absolutely you can find a good top 6 center for that type of price. If you aren't and you need a #1 center than probably not.
That is likely the first decision...how comfortable are they with EP1? IF they are comfortable then the build gets easier. You are looking to sign a Brock Nelson in UFA or acquiring someone similar but younger. If they aren't then yes they likely need to look at dipping into the elite youth they have (Lekk, Willander, EP2). But I think they will move forward with EP1 provided his year end exit interview/summer plans match up with what they need.
Started checking the list of centers who've moved via trade in the last couple of seasons.
Ironically, two of those 'impact centers' were former Canucks--Miller and Horvat. And going price was a roster player; a first round draft pick and a top prospect. Miller fetched a little less, but mostly because of his age and contract.
Eichel and Dubois were both traded--but came with huge risks. Vegas rolled the dice on Eichel who had a frightening neck injury and missed lot of time after they acquired him. And the Caps hit with Dubois--but only after he'd basically flamed out with the Jackets, Jets and Kings.
A couple of other centers Canuck fans were fixated on in the past, Norris, Frost and Laughton all moved. But the latter two really haven't done much for their new teams.
As for Norris, he was traded to the Sabres for another up-and-down young center Dylan Cozens. The last thing the Sens wanted were more picks and prospects for Norris, they needed someone who could step in right away.
And I see now the Sabres are complaining that Norris arrived as 'damaged goods' and is hurt again. His injury history is almost as bad as Chytil's.
Logan Stankovn moved in the Rantanen trade. And he might have looked good on the Canucks. But he's still a relatively unproven center at the NHL-level. Maybe if the Sharks and Hawks continue to suck--one or both of Cellebrini and Bedard might demand a trade. But this is the stuff of pipe dreams.
I'm sure there are other deals I've missed--but you get the picture. You simply aren't getting anyone in a trade who can move the needle. And if it costs you even one of Lekkerimaki, Wilander or EP25---then forget it.
It's one of the big reasons the Canucks handed EP40 an $11.7m contract. Where are you going to find another 100-point center? Except that even he may not actually be one.
Ironically, two of those 'impact centers' were former Canucks--Miller and Horvat. And going price was a roster player; a first round draft pick and a top prospect. Miller fetched a little less, but mostly because of his age and contract.
Eichel and Dubois were both traded--but came with huge risks. Vegas rolled the dice on Eichel who had a frightening neck injury and missed lot of time after they acquired him. And the Caps hit with Dubois--but only after he'd basically flamed out with the Jackets, Jets and Kings.
A couple of other centers Canuck fans were fixated on in the past, Norris, Frost and Laughton all moved. But the latter two really haven't done much for their new teams.
As for Norris, he was traded to the Sabres for another up-and-down young center Dylan Cozens. The last thing the Sens wanted were more picks and prospects for Norris, they needed someone who could step in right away.
And I see now the Sabres are complaining that Norris arrived as 'damaged goods' and is hurt again. His injury history is almost as bad as Chytil's.
Logan Stankovn moved in the Rantanen trade. And he might have looked good on the Canucks. But he's still a relatively unproven center at the NHL-level. Maybe if the Sharks and Hawks continue to suck--one or both of Cellebrini and Bedard might demand a trade. But this is the stuff of pipe dreams.
I'm sure there are other deals I've missed--but you get the picture. You simply aren't getting anyone in a trade who can move the needle. And if it costs you even one of Lekkerimaki, Wilander or EP25---then forget it.
It's one of the big reasons the Canucks handed EP40 an $11.7m contract. Where are you going to find another 100-point center? Except that even he may not actually be one.
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