Rumor: Canucks Now Looking to Add Mid 20s Impact Forward

[Fatass]

I’m not sure why Norris’ name is coming up with the Senators in the playoffs currently. Unless it’s an upgrade they won’t be subtracting from their current roster.

Norris is injured currently. He’s got top six skills but has a lengthy injury history and a big contract. He’s exactly the type of distressed asset that Van (according to some talk) would be interested in because the cost to acquire wouldn’t be much.

 

[Fatass]

*a rental top four dman. An impact forward in his mid 20's is unlikely to be a rental.

Most would be shocked if M. Pettersson is only a rental. Likely he’s extended, and relatively soon.
Any top six forward Van will be trying to acquire would be of distressed value, similar to Chytl. That’s why names like Norris (and to a lesser extent) Zegras pop up.

 

[Oresy]

Norris is injured currently. He’s got top six skills but has a lengthy injury history and a big contract. He’s exactly the type of distressed asset that Van (according to some talk) would be interested in because the cost to acquire wouldn’t be much.

I know he’s injured. But no chance Ottawa is moving him this season. That would be an off season move and would require Ottawa to get a forward back or through free agency. Again, they aren’t subtracting this year.

 

[FiveTacos]

Source?

One of the most well known things about the Canucks management group is that they know who they want and they are willing to go out and make real offers for those players.

Fair enough, but what's a "real offer," is the problem. It's unlikely to be just a mid to late 1st and a prospect unless that prospect is one that's got a good probability of becoming an impact player himself in the next couple years. In which case, why wouldn't you just wait for that guy to pan out, and just rent a short term solution?

A mid 20's scorer ... you're basically asking for that player's prime years. Contending teams aren't giving that up. Teams that are rebuilding are trying to get MORE of those guys, not unloading them.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Miller is toxic and wanted out, Debrincat also wanted out. The first time DeBrincat got dealt, he returned a 7th overall pick++. If Van can find a similar situation they won't have to pay as much, but typically mid 20's impact forwards aren't dealt for so little as the two examples you're giving.

Only way this happens is if Vancouver pursues it with desperation and delusion that they are doing something this year.

Teams don't usually do this. Doesn't matter what fans of other teams perceive.

Internally in the league doesn't matter outside of a few players in the league the fact that one team will be taking on a massive cap hit and salary. That in itself is valued. Its gimmicky but it's the truth about this league.

Fans rarely (especially on Hfboards) rarely predict what teams are offering.

That's why when St Louis double offer sheeted Edmonton's boys it kind of broke the "protect me from my incompetence" courtesy that is followed in the league. It was because you can't get good young players like that for minimum picks going the other way.

We will see more of this going forward.

Again Willander/Lekkerimaki won't be moving. The former for sure. Lol. As much as your trade machine generation wAnts it to be that easy it won't be.

 

[Fatass]

I know he’s injured. But no chance Ottawa is moving him this season. That would be an off season move and would require Ottawa to get a forward back or through free agency. Again, they aren’t subtracting this year.

It would depend on the return. Not too sure of Norris’s value when considering contract and injury history. Seravelli said he heard someone compare Norris’s often injured shoulder to mashed potatoes. Anyway, that’s the type of player Van would be looking at because the cost to acquire is distressed.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Most would be shocked if M. Pettersson is only a rental. Likely he’s extended, and relatively soon.
Any top six forward Van will be trying to acquire would be of distressed value, similar to Chytl. That’s why names like Norris (and to a lesser extent) Zegras pop up.

Right, but you had to give up Miller to get Chytil. If you're wanting to give up something like a 1st and a B prospect, the player would either have to be seriously distressed in terms of value or not an impact forward.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Only way this happens is if Vancouver pursues it with desperation and delusion that they are doing something this year.

Teams don't usually do this. Doesn't matter what fans of other teams perceive.

Internally in the league doesn't matter outside of a few players in the league the fact that one team will be taking on a massive cap hit and salary. That in itself is valued. Its gimmicky but it's the truth about this league.

Fans rarely (especially on Hfboards) rarely predict what teams are offering.

That's why when St Louis double offer sheeted Edmonton's boys it kind of broke the "protect me from my incompetence" courtesy that is followed in the league. It was because you can't get good young players like that for minimum picks going the other way.

We will see more of this going forward.

Again Willander/Lekkerimaki won't be moving. The former for sure. Lol. As much as your trade machine generation wAnts it to be that easy it won't be.

Bold 1: yes, that's the premise of the thread. They just traded a first for a pending UFA defenceman. That suggests they want to do something this year.

Bold 2: Right, but offer sheets don't happen until the offseason. The premise is that the Canucks want to add an impact forward now. Young impact forwards are very rarely traded in season as well. When they are, the returns are usually much more than Canucks fans want to give up.

If you don't like trade discussion, you are in the wrong place bud.

 

[brock hughes007]

So like Debrusk or Boeser?

Both are kinda pathetic players.They just don't bring that impact forward mentality. One just kinda trys and the other has just checked out .

 

[Fatass]

Right, but you had to give up Miller to get Chytil. If you're wanting to give up something like a 1st and a B prospect, the player would either have to be seriously distressed in terms of value or not an impact forward.

Miller returned the Rangers 2025 first which has a very good chance op being an unprotected 2026 first. Those kinds of picks have a lot of value. Add to that the obvious issues with Miller, his age, and contract and his value was distressed.
Chytle (imo) was a distressed asset because of injury issues. Similar boat to Norris. But Norris’s injury concerns are greater. And he’s got a long contract at a high cap allocation. His value is very low, imo.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Only way this happens is if Vancouver pursues it with desperation and delusion that they are doing something this year.

Teams don't usually do this. Doesn't matter what fans of other teams perceive.

Internally in the league doesn't matter outside of a few players in the league the fact that one team will be taking on a massive cap hit and salary. That in itself is valued. Its gimmicky but it's the truth about this league.

Fans rarely (especially on Hfboards) rarely predict what teams are offering.

That's why when St Louis double offer sheeted Edmonton's boys it kind of broke the "protect me from my incompetence" courtesy that is followed in the league. It was because you can't get good young players like that for minimum picks going the other way.

We will see more of this going forward.

Again Willander/Lekkerimaki won't be moving. The former for sure. Lol. As much as your trade machine generation wAnts it to be that easy it won't be.

Then don't come asking for our in-prime, young, signed long term at good cap hit, big, fast af wing if your little prospect that's proven nothing at the NHL level is off the table.

I know you didn't propose it, but just making a point. Team's don't get to trade for an asset with considerably less risk by sending assets that include way more risk.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Unless you want to argue that those guys are Top 5 prospects leaguewide, they should not be considered unmoveable in the right deal. Top 15 picks dealt within 3 years of the draft since 2015:

Crouse
Sergachev
Suzuki
Brannstrom
Boqvist
Gauthier
Savoie
Geekie
McGroarty
Yager

Bolded traded for NHL roster upgrades.

 

[Fatass]

Bold 1: yes, that's the premise of the thread. They just traded a first for a pending UFA defenceman. That suggests they want to do something this year.

Bold 2: Right, but offer sheets don't happen until the offseason. The premise is that the Canucks want to add an impact forward now. Young impact forwards are very rarely traded in season as well. When they are, the returns are usually much more than Canucks fans want to give up.

If you don't like trade discussion, you are in the wrong place bud.

Allvin mentioned in a presser that he’s been trying to acquire another top four D since summer. This was a trade that the team had been working on for some time. Allvin needed the Rangers’ first (unprotected in 2026 if rolled over) to have what it took. Any forward Allvin tries to acquire now will be a much lower cost.

 

[Rowlet]

Fair enough, but what's a "real offer," is the problem. It's unlikely to be just a mid to late 1st and a prospect unless that prospect is one that's got a good probability of becoming an impact player himself in the next couple years. In which case, why wouldn't you just wait for that guy to pan out, and just rent a short term solution?

A mid 20's scorer ... you're basically asking for that player's prime years. Contending teams aren't giving that up. Teams that are rebuilding are trying to get MORE of those guys, not unloading them.

No idea what a "real" offer constitutes here, but the management team has been willing to go out and make real concrete offers for players they like, not just make calls for the sake of gauging interest.

They've also been able to make a ton more "hockey trades" than other teams because of their willingness to wheel and deal from other teams. Miller for Pettersson+, Horvat for Hronek+, Beauvillier+ for Zadorov, other teams don't seem interested in finding other teams interested in their players to make deals work.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Miller returned the Rangers 2025 first which has a very good chance op being an unprotected 2026 first. Those kinds of picks have a lot of value. Add to that the obvious issues with Miller, his age, and contract and his value was distressed.
Chytle (imo) was a distressed asset because of injury issues. Similar boat to Norris. But Norris’s injury concerns are greater. And he’s got a long contract at a high cap allocation. His value is very low, imo.

That pick is already out the door though.

Even if Norris' value is low right now, why would the Sens deal him in season for an underwhelming return? They're chasing down a playoff spot themselves.

Allvin mentioned in a presser that he’s been trying to acquire another top four D since summer. This was a trade that the team had been working on for some time. Allvin needed the Rangers’ first (unprotected in 2026 if rolled over) to have what it took. Any forward Allvin tries to acquire now will be a much lower cost.

Then the forward you acquire is not likely to be an impact forward in their mid 20's, that's all I'm saying. Teams aren't going to trade you those players cheaply just because it's what Canucks fans want.

 

[Fatass]

No idea what a "real" offer constitutes here, but the management team has been willing to go out and make real concrete offers for players they like, not just make calls for the sake of gauging interest.

They've also been able to make a ton more "hockey trades" than other teams because of their willingness to wheel and deal from other teams. Miller for Pettersson+, Horvat for Hronek+, Beauvillier+ for Zadorov, other teams don't seem interested in finding other teams interested in their players to make deals work.

Chatter, according to Friedman, around Soucy. Maybe he’s included in a deal to get assets needed to acquire their desired top six forward?

 

[Rowlet]

Chatter, according to Friedman, around Soucy. Maybe he’s included in a deal to get assets needed to acquire their desired top six forward?

It's possible, but he has an NTC for this year and he's struggled a lot lately.

If I had to guess, it's more likely we see Boeser for futures then futures + their own futures for a big fish.

 

[Fatass]

That pick is already out the door though.

Even if Norris' value is low right now, why would the Sens deal him in season for an underwhelming return? They're chasing down a playoff spot themselves.


Then the forward you acquire is not likely to be an impact forward in their mid 20's, that's all I'm saying. Teams aren't going to trade you those players cheaply just because it's what Canucks fans want.

I think we agree. Norris’s name only comes up because he fits into the box of a mid twenties, top six forward, who (because of injuries and contract) would be a distressed asset, so the cost to acquire would be lower.

 

[Fatass]

It's possible, but he has an NTC for this year and he's struggled a lot lately.

If I had to guess, it's more likely we see Boeser for futures then futures + their own futures for a big fish.

That seems to be Allvin’s MO. He collects assets then uses them to get what he’s after. Soucy might be attached in that second deal? He does that too.,

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Bold 1: yes, that's the premise of the thread. They just traded a first for a pending UFA defenceman. That suggests they want to do something this year.

Bold 2: Right, but offer sheets don't happen until the offseason. The premise is that the Canucks want to add an impact forward now. Young impact forwards are very rarely traded in season as well. When they are, the returns are usually much more than Canucks fans want to give up.

If you don't like trade discussion, you are in the wrong place bud.

Then don't come asking for our in-prime, young, signed long term at good cap hit, big, fast af wing if your little prospect that's proven nothing at the NHL level is off the table.

I know you didn't propose it, but just making a point. Team's don't get to trade for an asset with considerably less risk by sending assets that include way more risk.

Doesn't matter what you say Bud. You won't be getting Willander in a trade for a winger especially plebs like Kyrou or Tippet.

Trade discussion is fine bud but look at how this league actually does trades before offering something you would do in a video game.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Doesn't matter what you say Bud. You won't be getting Willander in a trade for a winger especially plebs like Kyrou or Tippet.

Trade discussion is fine bud but look at how this league actually does trades before offering something you would do in a video game.

Prospects are traded for NHLers *all the time*. Hell four of the top 11 draft picks from the 2022 draft have already been traded.

Willander is a very good prospect but he's not even the best D on his own college team. If the Canucks can turn him into OP's "mid 20's impact forward" they'll do it. Prospects don't always pan out, even good ones.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Kadri for Boeser.

 

[StlBigFly]

Why are people mentioning Willander/Lekkerimaki??? If you don't know other teams prospects outside their top 2 maybe don't propose hypothetical trades.

These type of players don't get traded.

Debrincat got Sebrango as an add on..

JT Miller got Mancini lol.

HFBoards doesn't even recognize normal patterns or how trade packages work in this league.

Fans proposing preposterous offers means nothing in real life. About as real as playing NHL on PlayStation.

Players within everything the Canucks have available are within the category of assets that typically get traded.

What matters is whether a team is buying a player or whether a team is selling a player.

If you’re going to incentivize somebody to give you something that they do not have to give you, you’re a buyer, then you’re possibly going to spend the type of assets you do not want to spend if that is what it takes to beat your peer to the same goal.

Alternatively; if a team is in a position that they, more or less, have to move a player and are selling them, then they will receive what the market will bear and not one penny more.

To attempt to describe all scenarios or trades as falling under some common structure is absolute nonsense. Every market has a bid ask spread and the less liquid the market the larger the gap. Pro hockey athletes are an extremely illiquid market with tremendously large gaps between bids and asks.

Jt miller was sold. He didn’t return full value. It’s fine, but it’s true. It’s likely Vancouver will be buying a winger in the next 12 months. They will likely pay more than full value to do so. The tax of transactions is the bid ask spread; the baked in cost that exists based on the circumstances which are easy to simplify into just buying versus selling, but are much more nuanced due to the cba.

Every trade incident is some puzzle of leverage. To use a Miller trade as an example of how all prospects should work in trade proposals is really shallow and unfortunate. Giant publicized dispute aside…The best type of deals to use as examples are off-season deals whereby the cap has the least impact. Mid season deals have extremely limited buyer pools due to cap restrictions and therefore are poor representations of player value.

 

[Stephen]

I hear Brock Boeser might be available…

All jokes aside. Rutherford and friends operate like it’s still the 90s when it comes to big big trades.

 

[FiveTacos]

Willander is a very good prospect but he's not even the best D on his own college team. If the Canucks can turn him into OP's "mid 20's impact forward" they'll do it.

OTOH if there's a mid 20's impact forward available for that, there's a number of rebuilding teams with deep defensive pipelines who would gladly give one up for said player. Some better than Willander.