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[rypper]

Another part of the Yzerplan is to be a major grump ass and be difficult in trades.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Yzerman right now is Benning-lite with better marketing, giving excessive money to third liners instead of fourth liners.

This is exactly it. He fell in love with what he thought a few high-floor middle-six forwards could do on his team and once they were there they did nothing they hadn't done already other than get old.

His drafting wasn't terrible, the picks generally just became respectable players rather than stars. The team is just badly constructed.

 

[strattonius]

So you feel when a team has control in an offensive zone, and they pass the puck around continuously with no shots, or minimal it's because of lack of options offensively? Or is it because of shot selection? I guess the answer could be up for debate, I'm of the mindframe that this team chose to have less shots trying to pick perfect shots.

Not saying there's anything wrong with the system, I'm a full believer that quality is better than quantity - I'm saying we needed more quality forwards to execute better.

 

[Wisp]

Another part of the Yzerplan is to be a major grump ass and be difficult in trades.

I dunno, you can get good young RHD out of him fairly easily!

 

[SiZ]

Sure would have been nice if Mikheyev would have went to SJ and we didn’t need to retain. Next year is going to suck with the peak OEL and the retention.

We still have enough to add a solid player to the line up, I don’t think they go on for to long without drafting in the first two rounds so let’s hope they find some solid college players or reclamation projects that pan out.

At least, the big OEL penalty lines up with Willander and Lekkerimaki's timelines.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Tyson Barrie or Justin Schultz on a Forbort-type deal? $1M AAV would be better, since you could then sign Silovs and paper guys down to still be really close to the cap, but probably still under LTIR.

I don't see these guys as solutions here. If they were left side Dmen to supplant Forbort, maybe. As is, I think they'll give Desharnais, Juulsen and Friedman some runway here and there's just not going to be any time for further vets on the right side.

Mahura may have been an interesting gamble. As would Roslovic up front, but they're signed now.

 

[Flik]

At least, the big OEL penalty lines up with Willander and Lekkerimaki's timelines.

f*** I hate Dim Jim.

 

[vancityluongo]

Tyson Barrie or Justin Schultz on a Forbort-type deal? $1M AAV would be better, since you could then sign Silovs and paper guys down to still be really close to the cap, but probably still under LTIR.

tyson barrie on a pto / bringing him back home to be a vet in abby would be perfectly fine with me.

he's not an nhl regular, but i wouldn't mind him as organizational depth

 

[valkynax]

f*** I hate Dim Jim.

Hey whoa, now now, let's....let's not be rash to judgement here ok? The man's still learnding how to do his job.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Yep. The lengths Wings fans will go to still defend Yzerman's management is something to behold. Mass delusion.

He's built a team gunked up with mid, overpaid FAs, capped the ceiling of the team to basically "hope for wildcard", and has no premium talent coming that could plausibly be expected to raise the ceiling of the team to another level.

He's done a bad job for years and everyone with eyes could see it. But hey, #trust the Yzerplan.

He's made one critical error: Pull up from the rebuild too quickly. The other mid-level signings just compound that first mistake.

I think what you're seeing is not specific to Yzerman, but most GMs that don't keep their team at the bottom long enough, and then can't execute the big swing to save themselves from missing talent while at the bottom.

Compare it to Allvin where you could say the best player they lost was Horvat and the best they brought in was maybe Hronek (is he better than Horvat?). It's really difficult acquiring talent at the top.

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't see these guys as solutions here. If they were left side Dmen to supplant Forbort, maybe. As is, I think they'll give Desharnais, Juulsen and Friedman some runway here and there's just not going to be any time for further vets on the right side.

Mahura may have been an interesting gamble. As would Roslovic up front, but they're signed now.

Schultz is more interesting to me than Barrie since he actually had one bad year, but was quite good for Seattle the year before, so you have some argument for a bit of a rebound and he's still generating some offense. Barrie is purely a part-time player like he was in Nashville and you'd be carrying him mostly as a #7 insurance policy you can possibly insert from time-to-time for some help on PP2 etc.

It would somewhat interest me to carry one of these guys as #7 and send Friedman/Juulsen down since those two are similar in profile to Forbort/Desharnais. You'd roughly offset the cap, and probably be able to sign Silovs by waiving one of PDG/Aman.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Barrie is awful.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

I expect many to regret not targeting Nuke while likely available.

Not only is he exactly what this team needs, (on ice at least) but he's also exactly the player to torch us in a playoff matchup.

It's a 2 player swing.

 

[vancityluongo]

Schultz is more interesting to me than Barrie since he actually had one bad year, but was quite good for Seattle the year before, so you have some argument for a bit of a rebound and he's still generating some offense. Barrie is purely a part-time player like he was in Nashville and you'd be carrying him mostly as a #7 insurance policy you can possibly insert from time-to-time for some help on PP2 etc.

It would somewhat interest me to carry one of these guys as #7 and send Friedman/Juulsen down since those two are similar in profile to Forbort/Desharnais. You'd roughly offset the cap, and probably be able to sign Silovs by waiving one of PDG/Aman.

would rather hold off to add at the deadline vs adding a stop gap, non-material upgrade like schultz. depending on what side needs additional reinforcements, i like the idea of one or both of matt grzelcyk and adam larsson. if we were targeting a washed former bruin defenseman, wish we could have just signed the former over forbort, tbh.

hughes - hronek
soucy - larsson
grzelcyk - desharnais
myers

depending on if grzelcyk returns to form and everyone else holds up, that could be the best defense in the league.

 

[TruGr1t]

would rather hold off to add at the deadline vs adding a stop gap, non-material upgrade like schultz. depending on what side needs additional reinforcements, i like the idea of one or both of matt grzelcyk and adam larsson. really wish we could have just signed the former over forbort, tbh.

hughes - hronek
soucy - larsson
grzelcyk - desharnais
myers

depending on if grzelcyk returns to form and everyone else holds up, that could be the best defense in the league.

I'd probably take a flyer on Schultz if he were willing to do something around 1x$1M. You can probably still start the season under LTIR and bury most of that in the minors if you need to down the line. He's probably holding out for a lot more than that, but maybe later in the summer if he's still hanging around.

 

[iceburg]

I would have Wolanin in the wings as a 7/8 before spending money on Barrie.

 

[MS]

Literally the only reason to sign Tyson Barrie would be if Quinn Hughes blows his ACL in training camp and is out for the season, and we need a PP QB.

We have no reason whatsoever to carry a tiny defensive liability PP specialist who wouldn't even play on PP1 for us.

 

[sting101]

I expect many to regret not targeting Nuke while likely available.

Not only is he exactly what this team needs, (on ice at least) but he's also exactly the player to torch us in a playoff matchup.

It's a 2 player swing.

And he's got all the connections.

Writing this to Eric Clapton in the background...."she don't lie, she don't lie..."

Literally the only reason to sign Tyson Barrie would be if Quinn Hughes blows his ACL in training camp and is out for the season, and we need a PP QB.

We have no reason whatsoever to carry a tiny defensive liability PP specialist who wouldn't even play on PP1 for us.

Ouch why you gotta be so dark man.....that would be catastrophic

makes me cringe to think of such a scenario

 

[TruGr1t]

Drance on Donnie and Dhali this morning. Not much new. The front office would like to start the season without Poolman on LTIR and move him there at the deadline to accrue. They are still talking about using the full $3.5M, however, if they can find a good trade that would fill a need.

 

[bossram]

He's made one critical error: Pull up from the rebuild too quickly. The other mid-level signings just compound that first mistake.

I think what you're seeing is not specific to Yzerman, but most GMs that don't keep their team at the bottom long enough, and then can't execute the big swing to save themselves from missing talent while at the bottom.

Compare it to Allvin where you could say the best player they lost was Horvat and the best they brought in was maybe Hronek (is he better than Horvat?). It's really difficult acquiring talent at the top.

Making a "critical mistake" and then compounding that mistake does not sound like good GMing to me.

 

[sting101]

Provorov Ekblad Theodore Larsson Borgen Gavrikov someone out of Buffalo as they will have to pay Jokiharju now and Byram next summer. May want to shift money to forwards by then.

Stay patient we dont need 3rd pair guys we need a #2/3 guy

 

[Jerry the great]

I expect many to regret not targeting Nuke while likely available.

Not only is he exactly what this team needs, (on ice at least) but he's also exactly the player to torch us in a playoff matchup.

It's a 2 player swing.

he's a sociopathic junkie with absolutely no moral compass. I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team and would be quite shocked if anyone was willing to roll the dice on him.

 

[TruGr1t]

Provorov Ekblad Theodore Larsson Borgen Gavrikov someone out of Buffalo as they will have to pay Jokiharju now and Byram next summer. May want to shift money to forwards by then.

Stay patient we dont need 3rd pair guys we need a #2/3 guy

You can still probably add a free agent ~$1M and rejig the line-up to accommodate and stay under LTIR heading into the season. Plus sign Silovs. They are currently carrying Friedman, Juulsen, Aman and PDG.

 

[sting101]

Making a "critical mistake" and then compounding that mistake does not sound like good GMing to me.

this is pretty much the Yzerman situation in a quick easy sentence.

you simply dont pull out of rebuilding without the ingredients to be able to contend. The odds of getting them pretty much drop to hope and prayer and just waste time trying to scrape into playoffs and getting your ass handed to ya.

And it can be as little as 2 players but they better be elite. And you really should have 8-12 properly aged pieces that are almost sure bets to be able to support those guys ITS or on the roster or you wont have enough equity to get what you want in a decent time frame and then again go back to waiting for mid to late picks to work out or getting bad contracts in UFA

 

[strattonius]

I think we probably need another puck mover but Schultz, Barrie or that ilk isn't really the same thing. People are just listing d-men that are stigmatized as offensive defensemen but what we need is a good 2 way dman that can play in the top 4. Basically we need Willander.