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[credulous]

people are gonna lose their minds if the canucks keep boeser, miss the playoffs and then let him walk but it's probably the least bad of their options. the return for him is going to be -- optimistically -- a late first in a weak draft and a aatu raty level prospect (ie not really a prospect at all). that's not a meaningful return. if your argument is you can move those assets for another player i'd point out the canucks have similar assets they could also move without trading boeser and they have the cap space to absorb a number of players. why not keep boeser AND add? if you don't think this team can contend then you should be looking at pure futures for boeser not some hypothetical swap of distressed assets

the disaster would be extending boeser because they don't like the optics of him walking for nothing

 

[Breakers]

The rundown saying they keep hearing in trade chatter that Vancouver values the playoffs incredibly high in the trade marketplace

Find somebody that looks at you the way Tortellini looks at 2 playoff home games.

 

[racerjoe]

All the Canucks do is flip picks, so you'd think people would be used to it by now.

Dhaliwal now saying Boeser wants "7-8 years", good Lord.

Hasn't that been known for a while?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Far too much discussion (and post frequency) of garbage sources.

Kypreos & dreger & most of the other east coast talking heads do not know anything about Vancouver or their hockey team.

Do not give them so much (any) attention.

(also stop posting taj its a cuck move)

 

[bossram]

Lindgren has had a bad year tho and is 2 years older. I thought the same as you at first but caps fans pointed out his decline this year, esp compared to Thompson. For our sake hopefully Lanky doesnt decline like Lindgren has

Lindgren's GSAx/60 this year is only slightly negative. Lankinen's GSAx/60 this year is slightly positive.

And goalies are voodoo. When evaluating mid-range goalies, I would have basically zero confidence predicting who will perform better on a year-to-year basis. GMs clearly can't either - or Lankinen would have had way more offers in the offseason.

The only way to really go about the goaltending position is to either lock in an elite goalie (Vasi, Helly, Shesterkin, etc.) or find a bunch of guys that might be decent and sign them as cheaply as possible (Toronto route with Woll/Stolarz).

 

[MS]

The rundown saying they keep hearing in trade chatter that Vancouver values the playoffs incredibly high in the trade marketplace

Find somebody that looks at you the way Tortellini looks at 2 playoff home games.

Again, every other owner in every other sport?

Like, how are people still surprised by this?

 

[Ernie]

so you had the plus on the wrong side then?

yes

 

[sting101]

After how much the Canucks were reportedly after Jason Zucker at the deadline last year, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a target this year, too. We have the cap space and he wouldn’t (shouldn’t) cost an arm and a leg.

If they can get him cheaply (for a 4th/5th) you might consider it. Might buy you some more leverage against BB6 too which could be useful....Palmeiri even.

You can do the..."sign this or we'll pivot to Palmeiri/Zucker" routine which just might get Boeser to show how badly he loves the organization

Ultimately this team is going nowhere without a quality C or getting Rantanen Marner.

I know most have disagreed with me here but the reason i didnt like the Pettersson deal was because i already had a lot of faith in JR Pettersson we still had Soucy could have signed a stop gap or MPett in free agency and then had 2 13-20 picks which have a lot of value to acquire an impact C

 

[bossram]

I don't know about that, the Caps also have Logan Thompson already locked up for more 6 years, they had leverage.

The Canucks only have a broken down Demko signed for another year, and then there's Silovs. The Canucks needed Lankinen extended way more than the Caps needed Lindgren.

The Canucks need a lot of things. I understand the spot they were in given Demko is basically cooked, but if you are betting long-term on a non-elite goalie, you're almost assuredly going to lose because goalies are voodoo.

 

[gsharpe]

Any word on what is happening with ekblad? Is Florida going to stay with him after getting Jones?

 

[VanillaCoke]

Any word on what is happening with ekblad? Is Florida going to stay with him after getting Jones?

Pretty obvious jones is ekblads replacement. Either he signs there for a bargain or they let him walk because he's very much declined from his prime.

 

[sting101]

Ekblad's body is trashed....get the feeling he's been grinding it out hard to get his best last contract and then your gonna get Trouba 2.0 after a 2 to 3 yrs of his long term deal he will command.

 

[Hodgy]

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

I agree with you on the messaging, and I agree with you that players don't think like posters on HF. The players absolutely still believe in their team, and 100% want to compete for the playoffs, and trading Boeser (without immediately reallocating those assets) will be a shot to player morale.

And I am fine with the keep Quinn happy idea, although I ultimately don't think he will stay, so trying to be as competitive as possible makes sense. But, consider this, if you are going to miss the playoffs once over the next two playoffs, do you think missing the playoffs this year or next year will be more detrimental to re-signing Hughes? Because I think it is obviously the latter. So if you can trade Boeser for futures right now, and make a very good trade with those futures in the summer, and be more competitive next year, I can see that route being the more likely route of keeping Quinn here.

UFA class at forward doesn't look great this summer so trying to merely fill the gap or improve the team offensively through free agency, with Boeser's money, may prove more difficult than acquiring a player(s) with futures.

Plus, I don't think losing Boeser will actually have a big impact on the Canucks playoff chances this year.

Making the playoffs matters, and despite a season where *everything* has gone wrong we're still in a good position to make the playoffs. And I want to go into the playoffs with the best roster possible. It's the whole f***ing point of sports and following sports.

I get what you are saying, but as a fan, my preference is to maximize the amount of winning/playoffs over a long period of time, rather than just looking at this on a year by year basis. Its like if you have $100 right now. Money is meant to be spent, right? Its the whole point of money. So you could spend that $100 now, you could invest that $100 and spend a larger sum later.

Yeah, Lankinen's deal pretty quickly becoming a bad look.

I think Lankinen's deal could look real bad if we depart from Tocchett's low event / defensive structure. The Lankinen we are currently seeing is probably the best version of Lankinen we will ever see.

 

[bossram]

I think Lankinen's deal could look real bad if we depart from Tocchett's low event / defensive structure. The Lankinen we are currently seeing is probably the best version of Lankinen we will ever see.

There's a decent probability this is correct. It's why I'm extremely wary of investing long-term in goaltenders.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Ekblad's body is trashed....get the feeling he's been grinding it out hard to get his best last contract and then your gonna get Trouba 2.0 after a 2 to 3 yrs of his long term deal he will command.

Can see him going to Edmonton if they clear Kane’s cap hit as a UFA

 

[Joe Rogan]

Trade Boeser for futures, next year have Marner and Lekkerimaki as the top 6 RW. Easy. Brock's skating is already gone and he has been a complete passenger for 90% of the season, any contract longer than 4 years will be a catastrophe. Complete no brainer

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Dammit. Trying to stay away from these contract conversations but I'll wip it up, cause it's bothering me...

I love Boeser like most of us, for obvious reasons, and he's been a soldier, but if guys like Linden, Bure, Naslund, Bieksa and Burrows (remember him sitting against the boards) can go, so can Brock, sadly.

This is the Canucks.

This is our doom until it's our glory. And it'll always be that way, until the white towels wave, and finally reveal our MF Canucks colors.

I'm lucky I'm busy in my daily life, but Canuck colors run in my blood, and I'm riding with every high and all these lows. We won't all be there, but I hope it happens.

If they settle on an agreeable contact with Brock, fine, but the construction of this team needs to change, dramatically.

Do they think that includes Boeser?

Either way concludes paramount MF present and future ramifications, particularly, if two players, as they are now, hold 20M in CAP space.

I love Boeser but the 25 goals on average he provides, is not worth 8+M, in my opinion. We know what he is. That skatingxcontract scares me.

It may take a magic bean to replace those goals, since they're not coming from anywhere else, but stylistically, the team needs something different, particularly, in the top 6. I have no idea what mgmt intends to do here.

I think I'm leaning towards trade to acquire assets, for a team that has almost none.

Sorry... I just worked 19 hours and I'm annoyed so ignore me.

**** Bettman and McBaby.

 

[sting101]

Can see him going to Edmonton if they clear Kane’s cap hit as a UFA

yes would be exactly what they will fall over themselves to sign especially if they cant win it this year

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Already preparing myself for massive disappointment this week.

 

[sting101]

Trade Boeser for futures, next year have Marner and Lekkerimaki as the top 6 RW. Easy. Brock's skating is already gone and he has been a complete passenger for 90% of the season, any contract longer than 4 years will be a catastrophe. Complete no brainer

you know something we don't?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Duclair has had a tough go on Long Island, so this may just be a healthy scratch rather than trade related. He has some term left, but the cap hit isn’t insane for a guy who’s been good for 20-25 goals pretty regularly.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Duclair has had a tough go on Long Island, so this may just be a healthy scratch rather than trade related. He has some term left, but the cap hit isn’t insane for a guy who’s been good for 20-25 goals pretty regularly.

"Pass the Dutchie 'pon the left hand side"

 

[sting101]

Already preparing myself for massive disappointment this week.

is this you talking or you're wife?

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

I am really starting to turn against the prevailing wisdom around here that the team must either be an elite contender or selling assets for futures, and starting to think that the best odds of winning are to secure a group of elite talent and then punch as many playoff tickets as you can. The playoffs are just too unpredictable to gamble on one or two seasons of going all in.

Like, you go back at recent champs and every one of them except maybe the blues spent multiple seasons trying to contend before/after their championship. Meanwhile there are plenty of examples of basement dwellers who never made it back.

Obviously you don't do this when you just don't have the horses to build a realistic contender (Jim Benning) but we have the foundation of a solid roster here and I don't see the point of not trying.

 

[Bobby9]

Duclair has had a tough go on Long Island, so this may just be a healthy scratch rather than trade related. He has some term left, but the cap hit isn’t insane for a guy who’s been good for 20-25 goals pretty regularly.

Mentioned him earlier today. If you can convince the Isle to retain 350K its a great deal.

Would love him on the 2LW w Chytil.

Debrusk
Duclair
Dak

All a sudden we have some size on that side