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[BWJM]

I’m bringing sexy back

 

[bossram]

Tell me Lindgren's save percentage this year on the best team in the NHL.

When you have that information, let me know if it's still making Lankinen's deal look bad.

Tell me Lindgren's SV% last year, playing 50 games, on a much worse roster.

When you have that information, let me know if it's still making Lankinen's deal look bad.

Well, apparently we don't have the ability to look at information farther than 4 months in the past.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

After how much the Canucks were reportedly after Jason Zucker at the deadline last year, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a target this year, too. We have the cap space and he wouldn’t (shouldn’t) cost an arm and a leg.

 

[sensodyne17]

I don't really want to sign him, either.

I just don't really care if he walks, and don't really care if we get assets back.

If he walks, we're 'trading' him for the player/players we sign with that cap space. This isn't 1992.

Making the playoffs matters, and despite a season where *everything* has gone wrong we're still in a good position to make the playoffs. And I want to go into the playoffs with the best roster possible. It's the whole f***ing point of sports and following sports.

Wrong - now this is a losers mindset.

If we keep Boeser and let him walk to free agency, that would by far be the worst possible outcome. Here's the possible REALISTIC outcomes.

Keep Boeser as your own rental
HIGH OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get lucky to win a round due to injuries, hot streaks, whatever.
MIDDLE OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get absolutely trashed by a top tier team (Winnipeg/Vegas)
LOW OUTCOME: Miss playoffs

Your realistic outcome in your high/low scenario is either you miss the playoffs or you get knocked out quickly. So now you end up going home with NO assets from Boeser and he walks to sign somewhere else.

Trade Boeser for assets
HIGH OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get absolutely trashed by a top tier team (Winnipeg/Vegas)
MIDDLE OUTCOME: Miss playoffs
LOW OUTCOME: Come in lower than CGY, UTAH, STL, in the standings (gets higher pick as a better asset).

Your realistic outcome in your high/low scenario is barely scraping by in the playoffs or missing by a point or two. You end up going home anyway but now you have an extra 1st round pick + prospect and your own pick is also more valuable. This helps you build a way stronger team in 2025-2026.

It's a no brainer... trade Boeser.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Im starting to warm up to the idea of offering Tavares a 2 year contract.

Term is short. Yes hes slow but he's consistent and he would offer some leadership qualities. Id put him in the 1RW instead of Boeser.

The term being 2 years is key.

Debrusk - EP - Tavares is isn't world class but it's tolerable.

I’d be fine with that idea if the amount was reasonable. Say two years at 7.5 mill.

 

[sensodyne17]

Tell me Lindgren's SV% last year, playing 50 games, on a much worse roster.

When you have that information, let me know if it's still making Lankinen's deal look bad.

Well, apparently we don't have the ability to look at information farther than 4 months in the past.

So one good year means anything in any context anywhere? Goalies run hot streaks all the time.



I guess Petey is still a 100 point center somewhere in him then.

As a goalie, you don't really get paid to what happened a year ago. Imagine if Lankinen sucked this year - do you think he would get 4.5M? I guess if you were Ottawas GM you would have paid the Hamburgular an 8 x 8M.

 

[MS]

Wrong - now this is a losers mindset.

If we keep Boeser and let him walk to free agency, that would by far be the worst possible outcome. Here's the possible REALISTIC outcomes.

Keep Boeser as your own rental
HIGH OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get lucky to win a round due to injuries, hot streaks, whatever.
MIDDLE OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get absolutely trashed by a top tier team (Winnipeg/Vegas)
LOW OUTCOME: Miss playoffs

Your realistic outcome in your high/low scenario is either you miss the playoffs or you get knocked out quickly. So now you end up going home with NO assets from Boeser and he walks to sign somewhere else.

Trade Boeser for assets
HIGH OUTCOME: Make the playoffs as a wildcard team and get absolutely trashed by a top tier team (Winnipeg/Vegas)
MIDDLE OUTCOME: Miss playoffs
LOW OUTCOME: Come in lower than CGY, UTAH, STL, in the standings (gets higher pick as a better asset).

Your realistic outcome in your high/low scenario is barely scraping by in the playoffs or missing by a point or two. You end up going home anyway but now you have an extra 1st round pick + prospect and your own pick is also more valuable. This helps you build a way stronger team in 2025-2026.

It's a no brainer... trade Boeser.

All of your hypotheticals are in EA Sports mode.

This is not how real NHL franchises operate when you're dealing with real people and real money.

 

[sensodyne17]

All of your hypotheticals are in EA Sports mode.

This is not how real NHL franchises operate when you're dealing with real people and real money.

Your response is masked in the fact that you can resort to the "anything is possible once you make the playoffs" argument.

The hypotheticals are not in EA sports mode... it is based in real life.

This team is not going anywhere. Not as its currently constructed. If they limp into the playoffs they probably will get swept. Chances are they won't even make the playoffs with Boeser on the roster with the way he's been a ghost. If you think otherwise, I wish to share your optimism in life but it's not reality based.

Canucks have like one a half top six forward in DeBrusk and Garland right now.

Complacency and the country club culture is a big part of the problem. Trading Boeser sends a message throughout the organization that if you're not playing well and not accountable with your game, we don't want you here. Boeser has been AWFUL all year and even worse now that Miller is gone.

He is leading the TEAM at -19 despite missing games due to injury. 36 points in 53 games and wants $8M+ on a long term extension based off of one good year playing with an elite playmaking 1C? Awful. Getting rid of Boeser is the first step to turning this team around.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Your response is masked in the fact that you can resort to the "anything is possible once you make the playoffs" argument.

The hypotheticals are not in EA sports mode... it is based in real life.

This team is not going anywhere. Not as its currently constructed. If they limp into the playoffs they probably will get swept. Chances are they won't even make the playoffs with Boeser on the roster with the way he's been a ghost. If you think otherwise, I wish to share your optimism in life but it's not reality based.

Canucks have like one a half top six forward in DeBrusk and Garland right now.

Complacency and the country club culture is a big part of the problem. Trading Boeser sends a message throughout the organization that if you're not playing well and not accountable with your game, we don't want you here. Boeser has been AWFUL all year and even worse now that Miller is gone.

He is leading the TEAM at -19 despite missing games due to injury. 36 points in 53 games and wants $8M+ on a long term extension based off of one good year playing with an elite playmaking 1C? Awful. Getting rid of Boeser is the first step to turning this team around.

Sadly, we will take the $8M and use it to overpay an UFA. But I am ready to move on….

 

[vancityluongo]

Funny because this makes Lankinen contract look great.

Lindgren has had one good year in his career, otherwise been an OK backup.

His SVP is 898 in 27 games on the best team in the NHL. In contrast, Logan Thompson has 919 SVP.

Lankinen is 2 years younger so the term basically nets out the same (3 v 5y).

Lankinen is expected to be a 1A starter to play 40-50 games whereas Lindgren is expected to be the 1B starter to play 30-40 games.

Lankinen only makes 1.5M more which is immaterial in the rising cap environment.

lindgren last year was basically what lankinen is this year

we're paying at a high valuation imo, the caps are getting lucky timing wise and paying at a lower valuation for goalies with very similar longer run track records

don't disagree with the rest of what you said, and i'd rather have lankinen than have him walk over a million.

 

[bossram]

So one good year means anything in any context anywhere? Goalies run hot streaks all the time.



I guess Petey is still a 100 point center somewhere in him then.

As a goalie, you don't really get paid to what happened a year ago. Imagine if Lankinen sucked this year - do you think he would get 4.5M? I guess if you were Ottawas GM you would have paid the Hamburgular an 8 x 8M.

The bolded is absolutely hilarious with respect to Lankinen's $4.5M x 5 deal. Do you intentionally constantly try to undermine your own arguments?

Lankinen will be making 50% more than Lindgren (and has 2 extra years of term). Do you think Lankinen is twice as likely than Lindgren to put up a strong season next year? And for 4 years after that?

Would you bet -200 odds that Lankinen will be better than Lindgren each season, for the next 5 seasons? That's basically what these evaluations are saying.

 

[Jerry the great]

After how much the Canucks were reportedly after Jason Zucker at the deadline last year, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a target this year, too. We have the cap space and he wouldn’t (shouldn’t) cost an arm and a leg.

hard to imagine he'll cost less than what the Wild just paid for Nyquist though retention/cap hit likely factored into the cost.

would be a decent replacement for Boeser if they go down that road. 1st + prospect for Boeser, spend a 2nd on Zucker. probably a neutralish impact on the current roster and a net benefit to the asset pool.

would be curious to see what Rakell would cost. same idea though he's signed for three more @$5MM per.

 

[racerjoe]

Looking at the goalies signed, I think it is more Lingren taking a lesser deal than anything about Lank. His deal is inline with the other 1B goalies signing and less in dollar as it should be.

 

[sting101]

*Eichel - Tuch Krebs 1st(Ostlund) 2nd(Height)
*Tkachuk - Weegar Huberdeau 1st('25)
*Miller - Chytil Mancini 1st(M.Pettersson)
Rantanen - Necas Drury
Guentzel - Bunting Koivunen Ponomarov 2nd
Giroux - Tippett 1st(S.O'Reilly)


S.Reinhart - 1st(Kulich) Levi
*DeBrincat - 1st(Letourneau) Kubalik
Meier - Zetterlund 1st(Musty) Mukamadullin 2nd(Baker)
Horvat - 1st(Hronek) Raty Beauvillier
Barbashev - Dean
Rakell - 2nd(Luneau)

Hagel - 1st(O.Moore) 1st(Eiserman)
Fiala - Faber 1st(Ohgren)
Buchnevich - 2nd(Salomonsson) Blais
Zacha - Haula
Mittlestadt - Byram

Last 5yrs the players who are at or above Boeser 5v5 and PP for productivity and what they returned or what they had to give up. Demanded trade - Pending UFA - Trade - Impact return short term

 

[Baby Pettersson]

*Eichel - Tuch Krebs 1st(Ostlund) 2nd(Height)
*Tkachuk - Weegar Huberdeau 1st('25)
*Miller - Chytil Mancini 1st(M.Pettersson)
Rantanen - Necas Drury
Guentzel - Bunting Koivunen Ponomarov 2nd
Giroux - Tippett 1st(S.O'Reilly)


S.Reinhart - 1st(Kulich) Levi
*DeBrincat - 1st(Letourneau) Kubalik
Meier - Zetterlund 1st(Musty) Mukamadullin 2nd(Baker)
Horvat - 1st(Hronek) Raty Beauvillier
Barbashev - Dean
Rakell - 2nd(Luneau)

Hagel - 1st(O.Moore) 1st(Eiserman)
Fiala - Faber 1st(Ohgren)
Buchnevich - 2nd(Salomonsson) Blais
Zacha - Haula
Mittlestadt - Byram

Last 5yrs the players who are at or above Boeser 5v5 and PP for productivity and what they returned or what they had to give up. Demanded trade - Pending UFA - Trade - Impact return short term

The color coding is a lovely touch.

 

[Szechwan]

Sadly, we will take the $8M and use it to overpay an UFA. But I am ready to move on….

I'll say this, I'd much rather give Ehlers 9m long term than Boeser.

 

[Diablo2020]

WIN - Brock Boeser @50%
VAN - Rasmus Kupari and 2026 1st (WIN)

NJD - Pius Suter
VAN - 2025 2nd (NJD)

CGY - Carson Soucy
VAN - 2026 3rd (VAN)

CAR - Derek Forbort
VAN - 2025 3rd (TBL)

Grab a Jayden Struble or two for late picks.

Promote Aatu Raty and Jon Lekkerimaki.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'll say this, I'd much rather give Ehlers 9m long term than Boeser.

That much I will agree on. But be ready for the ghost that arrives in the playoffs.

IDK we trade Suter and in 2-3 weeks we'll be looking for a Suter with a different name.

Why not the guy I wanted to draft in 2017 before EP emerged - Gabe Vilardi?

 

[sensodyne17]

*Eichel - Tuch Krebs 1st(Ostlund) 2nd(Height)
*Tkachuk - Weegar Huberdeau 1st('25)
*Miller - Chytil Mancini 1st(M.Pettersson)
Rantanen - Necas Drury
Guentzel - Bunting Koivunen Ponomarov 2nd
Giroux - Tippett 1st(S.O'Reilly)


S.Reinhart - 1st(Kulich) Levi
*DeBrincat - 1st(Letourneau) Kubalik
Meier - Zetterlund 1st(Musty) Mukamadullin 2nd(Baker)
Horvat - 1st(Hronek) Raty Beauvillier
Barbashev - Dean
Rakell - 2nd(Luneau)

Hagel - 1st(O.Moore) 1st(Eiserman)
Fiala - Faber 1st(Ohgren)
Buchnevich - 2nd(Salomonsson) Blais
Zacha - Haula
Mittlestadt - Byram

Last 5yrs the players who are at or above Boeser 5v5 and PP for productivity and what they returned or what they had to give up. Demanded trade - Pending UFA - Trade - Impact return short term

Good analysis.

Canucks need to aim for a Tippett type of deal. We would do max retention and maybe take on a bad contract back to enable that type of return. Young roster player (or prospect that's NHL ready) and a first. Boeser should be one of the top forwards available at the deadline, if not the best one.

Boeser to Min still makes the most sense to me. If they are done with Hartman, maybe 1st + 2nd + Hartman for Boeser with a contract extension.

 

[Breakers]

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I’m bringing sexy back

Miller with more points than shots on goal for Pettersson

nice
real nice

 

[M2Beezy]

Yeah, Lankinen's deal pretty quickly becoming a bad look.

Lindgren has had a bad year tho and is 2 years older. I thought the same as you at first but caps fans pointed out his decline this year, esp compared to Thompson. For our sake hopefully Lanky doesnt decline like Lindgren has

 

[MS]

Lindgren is 2 years older than Lankinen, is having a poor year, and is being signed to be a pure backup to Logan Thompson. Not really a comparable. Lankinen also has 4 seasons of 15+ games/,900+ save% to Lindgren's 1.

 

[Curm]

Yeah, Lankinen's deal pretty quickly becoming a bad look.

I don't know about that, the Caps also have Logan Thompson already locked up for more 6 years, they had leverage.

The Canucks only have a broken down Demko signed for another year, and then there's Silovs. The Canucks needed Lankinen extended way more than the Caps needed Lindgren.

 

[sting101]

Good analysis.

Canucks need to aim for a Tippett type of deal. We would do max retention and maybe take on a bad contract back to enable that type of return. Young roster player (or prospect that's NHL ready) and a first. Boeser should be one of the top forwards available at the deadline, if not the best one.

Boeser to Min still makes the most sense to me. If they are done with Hartman, maybe 1st + 2nd + Hartman for Boeser with a contract extension.

yes i've been big on the make a deal if you can get a young almost top6 ready player. My favourite would be a Mercer for Boeser type deal

Hartman isn't a bad suggestion but it still leaves/creates a 2nd vacancy in our top6 and a PP1 player

Teams rarely will part with a prime aged top6 and get back anything to replace it within a reasonable time frame without having to reach into the UFA bread basket. You're not gonna get positive value at the top end of the UFA market.

I'm certainly not loving the prospect of signing Boeser to 6 or 7 yrs but if you can being the AAV down and check a box it may not be the worst outcome either. We're going on 3 of 4yrs being negative value now. If the father circumstances were not a thing it would be an easy walk away but i guess it depends how much leeway for that and injuries (wrist hand concussion) this regime will allow. His playoffs certainly buys me a little. Tough call

 

[TruGr1t]

Well, yeah - that's what I was saying in my post. If they trade Boeser for futures and then immediately flip those futures for Lafreniere or something, fair enough.

But the notion that we should flip Boeser for picks and then either use those picks in the summer or move them then is just ... it's not going to happen. It isn't how it works. And people are just setting up something to get mad at when it predictably doesn't happen.

And as we've seen in prior cases, the people who claim 'well, we can flip those picks!' generally tend to get REALLY MAD when we actually do flip those picks instead of using them.

All the Canucks do is flip picks, so you'd think people would be used to it by now.

Dhaliwal now saying Boeser wants "7-8 years", good Lord.