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[Kryten]

Lekk is needed to replace Boeser. We need a big C with the skills of Morrison and to move Petey where he belongs, as a 1LW

 

[David71]

nashville predators
blues
flyers
kraken "seller modes."

teams in it but wont know if they be buyers or sellers depending on how many games they lose after 4nations is complete.

bruins
islanders
flames
columbus
sabres
utah
montreal.

those are the choices for vancouver to make a deal with.

teams in it to win: buymode
oilers
devils
kings
panthers
leafs
knights
jets
captials.

 

[Rick Rocket]

You guys remember this?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Lekk is needed to replace Boeser. We need a big C with the skills of Morrison and to move Petey where he belongs, as a 1LW

The just sounds like the WCE with a "healthy" Demko. Not bad.

You guys remember this?

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My guy is getting his man body. Congrats, we've turned him into JT Miller. Clock is ticking.

 

[F A N]

Dallas just f***ed with Luka’s money (cost him 100M) and called him fat on the way out

I don't follow the NBA but I understand that Dallas didn't shop him and the return is questionable.

I have trouble understanding that narrative from a hockey fan and (to a lesser extent) baseball fan. It's like if we kept Boeser and let him walk as an UFA and the concern is that we "f***ed with Boeser's money" by not arranging for a sign and trade so he could sign for 8 years instead of 7?

Right decision or not, a team has the right to decide whether to commit a long term max money contract to a player and trade that player. If a sign and trade produces a better return balanced with the odds of winning the championship this season, then ya wait and do a sign and trade, otherwise it seems silly to be concerned about a player's money making ability.

 

[David71]

must make more trades!

 

[xtr3m]

I don't follow the NBA but I understand that Dallas didn't shop him and the return is questionable.

I have trouble understanding that narrative from a hockey fan and (to a lesser extent) baseball fan. It's like if we kept Boeser and let him walk as an UFA and the concern is that we "f***ed with Boeser's money" by not arranging for a sign and trade so he could sign for 8 years instead of 7?

Right decision or not, a team has the right to decide whether to commit a long term max money contract to a player and trade that player. If a sign and trade produces a better return balanced with the odds of winning the championship this season, then ya wait and do a sign and trade, otherwise it seems silly to be concerned about a player's money making ability.

NBA is in a different universe the way they do business over there. Don’t they even trade coaches sometimes?

Apparently no other team even knew that the guy was available. Gotta think Dallas could’ve gotten a better return if they wanted.

It’s a bit like the Rantanen situation on steroids.

Also the fella will get mad endorsement deals in LA, he should be able to compensate for not getting the supermax deal.

 

[F A N]

NBA is in a different universe the way they do business over there. Don’t they even trade coaches sometimes?

Apparently no other team even knew that the guy was available. Gotta think Dallas could’ve gotten a better return if they wanted.

It’s a bit like the Rantanen situation on steroids.

Also the fella will get mad endorsement deals in LA, he should be able to compensate for not getting the supermax deal.

That's what I mean. Pretty much everybody understood why Colorado traded Rantanen and I can't see a NHL hockey fan blame a team for screwing a player's ability to get an 8 year deal. Baseball is very much about money but never is a team blamed for a player making less money.

And to be fair, I don't think it's necessary to shop a player if there is a target in mind.

 

[arttk]

I don't follow the NBA but I understand that Dallas didn't shop him and the return is questionable.

I have trouble understanding that narrative from a hockey fan and (to a lesser extent) baseball fan. It's like if we kept Boeser and let him walk as an UFA and the concern is that we "f***ed with Boeser's money" by not arranging for a sign and trade so he could sign for 8 years instead of 7?

Right decision or not, a team has the right to decide whether to commit a long term max money contract to a player and trade that player. If a sign and trade produces a better return balanced with the odds of winning the championship this season, then ya wait and do a sign and trade, otherwise it seems silly to be concerned about a player's money making ability.

NBA contract stuff is actually pretty complicated but what Dallas did was historically stupid and just bad.
Yes it’s a business but they just screw the guy that took them to the nba finals single-handedly and at worst is the 3rd best player in the league if not the 2nd player in the league.

it was just a bad trade from all perspective, so bas that people are already coming up with ideas that this is a ploy to tank fandom so they can move the team to Vegas because that’s where the new owners is based out of and they want a casino stadium.

 

[Diversification]

I think what Pettersson needs is, other than just improving his own play (It's getting there), is a dynamic, skilled, play-driving winger to open up the ice for him and a good aggressive puck retrieval guy on the other side. The lotto line was so good because it had this dynamic to some degree, and the DeBrusk-Pettersson-Boeser line is so bad because it's totally missing it. Boeser is a decent two way jack of all trades finisher that's okay in puck battles and retrieval, but he really just doesn't skate well enough and isn't nearly skilled enough to drive play.

It's odd because we've consistently seen Pettersson be very reliant on chemistry with his wingers and yet the team just totally struggles to either recognize this or land on a consistent model for providing that to him. Sure, in an ideal world you want your franchise C to elevate any winger they play with and to drive play all by themselves like a McDavid or a Crosby, but Pettersson isn't that, and that's fine. He's a supremely skilled, cerebreal 2-way center that relies on similarly skilled and cerebral wingers to, ultimately, put up extremely good numbers and get obscenely good advanced stats. He can be a top 5 C in the league when activated like this, and that's not a weakness for him as a player, it's a necessary consideration management needs to make when constructing the roster.

This is a player that thrived with Kuzmenko and even Goldobin in his rookie year, and neither of those players are nearly as good as a DeBrusk or Boeser, but it's obvious that Pettersson was far better when playing with players like them. Other than just doing the obvious shit with the personnel they already have like playing him with Karlsson/Hoglander/Sherwood/O'Connor, they should REALLY be looking at throwing 13-15m at Rantanen/Marner/etc. or targetting Barzal. After it being a rotting fish market for ages, ur top 6 D is finally solved for the next 5 years: it's time to splurge with the rising cap on a true upper echelon playdriver to unlock Pettersson.

I don't think you need a Rantanen per se. That's a lot of money tied up for a pair of players who may or may not find chemistry. That said, I agree that Petey needs a certain combination of wingers to maximize his effectiveness. Under Tocchet, he needs a puck retrieval guy and a finisher that facilitates the cycle if you want him to play a dump and chase possession game. But, as he's shown with his breakout season with Kuzmenko, he's more effective as an east-west set-up man/finisher off the rush.

If Tocchet doesn't come back next season, the new coach will likely open things up a bit for more offense (I say likely, because Tocchet's all the way in the other extreme with protecting GOTI and limiting odd man rushes the other way). In that scenario, you need a winger with speed that can give and go through the neutral zone with Petey and gain the blueline with speed and options. Rantanen can do that, but it's overkill. There are other complementary wingers with speed out there. Kevin Fiala, for instance would an option and would come far cheaper - Maybe Brock + 1st for Fiala at TDL? It gives the Kings a finisher, cap flexibility and Brock probably fits their possession offense better than Fiala.

As for the third wheel, we have a number of options. DeBrusk, Hoglander, Sherwood. None are elite, but I think that's probably fine to round out the line.

 

[Nucker42]

Lots of talk about Soucy, NTC changes to a 12 team next year. I could really see him start to play better now that he slides down a spot. Some guys just don’t play well when they elevate. Also, Forbort is a UFA and initially I was all for trading Soucy but you can’t trade everyone.

Keep Soucy, hope he bounces back and trade him next year when he has value.

Send Forbort to the moon though, maybe you get a 4th or B prospect?

Suter is tricky, such a hole a centre right now. Keep or trade? He has 15 goals? Probably has a ton of a value because he’s also cheap. I would trade him, he’s not a long term solution and you can find a 3/4 C in the off season. Probably snag a really good prospect or a 2nd.

Lankinen im resigning all day. Between not trusting Silovs and Demko injury issues he’s become a vital piece. Give him 3 year x 3.75. With the cap increase it’s reasonable.

Saved Boeser for last, keep or trade? Trade. This core hasn’t done anything. Boeser is a knack for scoring but it very slow. Has no edge and there’s just too many slow and soft players. The mix needs to change.

A sleeper team for Boeser I think could be Vegas. They are right against the cap so Vancouver would need to retain. They don’t have a 1st until 2027 but we know this team hates draft picks anyway.

Nick Roy is the guy I’m targeting. They have lots of in house options to replace him. He’s big and fast.

Roy and a 2nd for Boeser (50% retention) and Forbort.

I just hope Allvin doesn’t stop and just adds for the playoffs, this team needs a strong message sent to them.

 

[Bobby9]

How good would Boldy look on this team right now.

Would be the perfect player to add. Holloway would look great too.

Robert Thomas and Holloway for EP is def something I would consider.

 

[theguardianII]

A scout pointed out that EP 40 is over 10% slower now than 3/4 years ago and slowing every year. That his fastest spurts for each year are slower. Weight gain? Knee damage? Something worse?

I see lots of trade ideas that are limited in that they are thinking "instant gratification" and immediate results.
Players like Miller or that caliber aren't traded very often but are drafted just about every year.

This group, as it is now, is playing right where they will finish most years, the mushy middle.

If you really analyze the group most are from players that are just available not necessarily the best fit. Not targeted and attained. That might be expensive but can solve long range problems without taking players into their mid 30's. Of course most teams have that "goal" as well.

Defencemen often need longer to be more complete so trading for that position often works well.

But forwards on most teams are drafted, even in Vancouver. The best this team has had were drafted but some were traded away. Neely, Linden, Bure, Hughes, Sedins, EP40, Horvat, Boeser, Kesler all came through the draft and were a kind of reward for having a bad season but lasted years solidifying roster spots.

Last nights game vs Detroit might be a glimpse into what this team could look like without Hughes and it didn't fail, the defence kept the shots down and were even in on 50% of the goals scored. Just no Hughes.

 

[oceanchild]

I like the idea of moving off of boeser for someone like cousins or Norris.

Or as part of a package the includes Nemec

 

[Big zZz]

Or as part of a package the includes Nemec

I'm not against it but I get the feeling that he defense is done and the focus has shifted to top 6 forwards.

 

[Jerry the great]

How good would Boldy look on this team right now.

Would be the perfect player to add. Holloway would look great too.

Robert Thomas and Holloway for EP is def something I would consider.

too bad they have a say.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

He wouldn't waive but I'd see if Nashville were interested in EP for Forsberg.

EP for Forsberg + Svechkov.

 

[LemonSauceD]

How good would Boldy look on this team right now.

Would be the perfect player to add. Holloway would look great too.

Robert Thomas and Holloway for EP is def something I would consider.

Don’t think you can get both them for EP. Thomas is one of the best two way playmaking centers in the game himself with the better contract and Holloway is developing into a legitimate 1st line power forward.

I don’t see a reason for the Blues to do this. I like Jake neighbours tho.

 

[Jerry the great]

He wouldn't waive but I'd see if Nashville were interested in EP for Forsberg.

EP for Forsberg + Svechkov.

So we needed to trade the older guy to keep the younger guy and then we're supposed to trade the younger guy for a guy who's almost as old as the older guy we just traded despite the fact he plays a less valuable position?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

How good would Boldy look on this team right now.

Would be the perfect player to add. Holloway would look great too.

Robert Thomas and Holloway for EP is def something I would consider.

I don't see why St. Louis would trade Thomas. If anything, they want to add to him.

Rather look to acquire Dvorsky in a package.

They could be willing to give him up to have EP and Thomas down the middle LT.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I don't see why St. Louis would trade Thomas. If anything, they want to add to him.

Rather look to acquire Dvorsky in a package.

They could be willing to give him up to have EP and Thomas down the middle LT.

That is even more unlikely, what. Dvorsky is a top 10 prospect.

 

[Vector]

So Seravelli is saying some members of the Canucks are pissed that Miller was dealt. Seriously? I mean they've had almost two months now to get used to the idea. What did they think would happen?

I think some 'insiders' like Seravelli are just disappointed that the Miller-Pettersson saga has finally staggered to its logical conclusion--and they're just desperately trying to keep it alive.

Seravalli never said this. It keeps getting repeated. It was a troll post on Twitter. The quote was entirely made up.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

That is even more unlikely, what. Dvorsky is a top 10 prospect.

Like I said, depends on what they prefer.

We could take back some garbage to get a deal done.

It's really dependent on who they rather keep: Thomas or Dvorsky

With Stenberg in the mix, they could be willing to move on from one.

 

[rypper]

Seravalli never said this. It keeps getting repeated. It was a troll post on Twitter. The quote was entirely made up.

Can we amplify this somehow, I've seen it repeated everywhere.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

So we needed to trade the older guy to keep the younger guy and then we're supposed to trade the younger guy for a guy who's almost as old as the older guy we just traded despite the fact he plays a less valuable position?

Right now, Forsberg is a better player than EP.

I also really like Svechkov.

Plus the team saves $3M annually vs the Cap to be used elsewhere.