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[LemonSauceD]

I love how management’s idea of “working together” is your ass gonna be traded and we want you to prepare for that. Also PS kindly waive your NMC.

 

[racerjoe]

Ah yes, Quinn Hughes is the REAL problem in the room. Now that's a take.

Top players are competitive both for team and individual success. He deserves recognition for what he is accomplishing.

It’s also ridiculous as it sounds like the management team worked with Hughes on trading miller, or at least got his approval

 

[Ernie]

Are you?

Of course I would be.

He deserves the recognition and management needs to be able to put together a competitive team around him.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Trades Before the 4 Nations Tournament

• Doesn’t think anything is imminent
• No trades percolating like the Miller situation; Rantanen trade was unexpected
• Nothing jumps out that is going to happen before now and the start of the tournament
• Very curious what the Seattle Kraken are going to do

fwiw Chris Johnston said on overdrive he expects some action pre 4nations, nothing during, and then alot before tdl..

 

[Nick Lang]

He wouldn't be upset that he didn't win a Norris trophy because the team missed the playoffs? You sure about that?

Personally I think he's better than that. The team comes first for great players and Quinn is the best we've ever had. He's not egotistical like that.

 

[alternate]

Curious what you would be doing to replace Miller and Boeser's 77 goals?

Use the cap space and assets to acquire other pieces through trades and UFA signings.

I wouldn't be mad at them re-signing Boeser to a team friendly deal, but I'd look elsewhere if it's going to take $8m+ to keep him.

 

[Ernie]

I love how management’s idea of “working together” is your ass gonna be traded and we want you to prepare for that. Also PS kindly waive your NMC.

They are pretty cutthroat but in fairness he only has an NTC, not an NMC, and it would be pretty reasonable to waive him if he's not going to be in the starting lineup. This way he gets some control over his destination.

 

[sting101]

It's funny Soucy stunk last year to start as well then spent a good portion of the year injured and when he came back he teamed up with a Tyler Myers who was playing really good hockey and looked like a 4/5LD. Having Cole and Zadorov to spread the minutes and heavy lifting made it easier to be effective and he was

This year he again stinks to start but the top players are all fighting underproductive and injured. The Desharnais Juulsen Brannstrom Brisebois train is purely awful and he gets more heavy lifting playing from behind with worse goaltending worse situations and worse partners to bail him out and he mostly looks like a 4/5 LD.

 

[LemonSauceD]

They are pretty cutthroat but in fairness he only has an NTC, not an NMC, and it would be pretty reasonable to waive him if he's not going to be in the starting lineup. This way he gets some control over his destination.

He as an NMC this season though

 

[God]

Former assistant GM offers blockbuster trade proposal involving Canucks' J.T. Miller

A former assistant GM of the NHL has recently presented a blockbuster trade scenario involving Canucks' JT Miller in a massive three-way deal.

www.yardbarker.com

This gem of embarrassment ..

he recently wrote an article for puckpedia that makes me question how he was ever an assistant GM: https://puckpedia.com/news/canucks-trades-werier

"To build a contender, a team needs to sign contracts where the surplus value of at least a few star players relative to their cap hits is substantial. "

This is largely circumstantial. Sometimes your bets work out (Quinn Hughes, Jake Sanderson) and sometimes your bets do not (Colin White, Josh Norris), and the best surplus value you can get is out of your depth players. Star players should be paid for, and it's a bonus if you are paying less than market value, but it's not something that will tank your contending status.

The Canucks including Fernstrom in the deal with the Pens raises some potential organizational red flags. A few months ago, Vancouver selected Fernstrom with their first pick in the 2024 Draft (3rd round, pick #93). Their amateur scouts wouldn’t have used that first at bat casually –they likely valued him highly. From my own experience, the player you select around there is typically one you internally ranked around 45-55 overall; there’s a lot of team by team variance across draft boards after the first round. At this stage, Fernstrom is still a lottery ticket, but he’s more like a $20 scratch-off than the $1 variety. Vancouver should be stockpiling assets like this, not shipping them out as unnecessary throw-ins to help jettison bad contracts in a deal where they’re the ones already shipping out a potentially unprotected 2026 1st. I don’t like it, and if I was a Canucks amateur scout, I would have been banging my head pretty hard when I saw both Fernstrom and the NYR 1st included in that second deal.

Fernstrom might end up being good, but it seems like he thinks Fernstrom is lighting up his D+1 season, and he is not.

I’m always a little skeptical when a manager trades with his old club for one of his old players. It doesn’t always mean they’re overvaluing familiarity, but it doesn’t always mean they aren’t. Hearing the Canucks President immediately wax poetic about how well he made out seven years ago, the last time he traded for Marcus Pettersson – something that should be completely irrelevant to the 2025 calculus – suggests familiarity was a not insignificant factor here. And I do think the Canucks paid far too much for Pettersson given (i) he’s a pending UFA and (ii) Vancouver, sans Miller, doesn’t appear to be a contender this year. For instance, I wonder what it would have cost them to acquire a similar, pending UFA puck moving defenseman in San Jose’s Jake Walman. I doubt it would have cost a potentially unprotected 1st.

I am pretty confident that Marcus Pettersson is a better player than Jake Walman, and I think Walman is decent.

 

[Ernie]

He as an NMC this season though

Not from what I'm seeing. Where are you getting that from? He has an NTC, which allows him to block trades, but not an NMC, which would allow him to block being waived and demoted. Obviously he would prefer to be traded.

 

[Agent007]

He as an NMC this season though

its NTC (so he could get waived)

 

[sting101]

Personally I think he's better than that. The team comes first for great players and Quinn is the best we've ever had. He's not egotistical like that.

Bingo

The whole argument was bizarre. Like the patient approach of waiting to pounce on a impact C and using the cap space + 1st round pick to do so was going to break his season and desire to want to stay here. JFC

 

[xtr3m]

Seravalli is a hack who the old boys club has designated as insider, they kickstarted his career with the Kraken expansion draft leaks

An industry plant!

 

[xtr3m]

fwiw Chris Johnston said on overdrive he expects some action pre 4nations, nothing during, and then alot before tdl..

Makes sense. Teams don't want to risk their players getting injured during the tourney causing the potential trade to fall through.

 

[Vector]

fwiw Chris Johnston said on overdrive he expects some action pre 4nations, nothing during, and then alot before tdl..

That's kind of what I figure. I expect the NHL to treat it like the playoffs and ask teams not to make any trades while the season is paused. Maybe see something on non-game days.

 

[Vector]

I am pretty confident that Marcus Pettersson is a better player than Jake Walman, and I think Walman is decent.

Agreed with everything and also, Jake Walman isn't a pending UFA. He has another year on his contract. I've sourced this from...Puckpedia.

 

[sting101]

he recently wrote an article for puckpedia that makes me question how he was ever an assistant GM: https://puckpedia.com/news/canucks-trades-werier


This is largely circumstantial. Sometimes your bets work out (Quinn Hughes, Jake Sanderson) and sometimes your bets do not (Colin White, Josh Norris), and the best surplus value you can get is out of your depth players. Star players should be paid for, and it's a bonus if you are paying less than market value, but it's not something that will tank your contending status.


Fernstrom might end up being good, but it seems like he thinks Fernstrom is lighting up his D+1 season, and he is not.


I am pretty confident that Marcus Pettersson is a better player than Jake Walman, and I think Walman is decent.

you guys are really trying hard to rationalize and support that deal and getting stuck in on semantics.

The article was sound rationale for being patient and weaponizing a mid round 1st and potentially a lottery pick. In case you haven't noticed were not really a contender and out of a playoff spot.

It's very plausible we could have gotten MP as a UFA and we stand little to gain other than an improved blue line on a middling team for 30 games. MP still holds an absolute hammer in negotiations.

Lets hope the relationship allows us to get a sound contract or it's yet another loss

 

[LemonSauceD]

Not from what I'm seeing. Where are you getting that from? He has an NTC, which allows him to block trades, but not an NMC, which would allow him to block being waived and demoted. Obviously he would prefer to be traded.

its NTC (so he could get waived)

I could’ve sworn puckpedia showed Soucy as having an NMC.

as always I do love to spread misinformation from time to time

 

[Vector]

I could’ve sworn puckpedia showed Soucy as having an NMC.

He has a full NTC this season that becomes a 12-NTC on July 1st.

 

[me2]

Wasnt he referring to another GM talking about M.Pettersson

I guess i'm a lot more skeptical of this M.Pettersson move than most here

I would be annoyed with Fernstrom and a 2nd though given we just stepped out the Stanley Cup race

We weren't in it to step out of it. We weren't even in a wildcard spot let alone running with the big dogs.

 

[andora]

I mean everything from Rantanen saying he would have taken a steep discount to MacKinnon being visibly shaken up by it in an interview, maybe there's been some off-ice drama that stemmed from the move.

When did it change to a steep discount?

Don't really understand his comments on M Pettersson. Sounds like he just isn't a fan of him.

He was probably looking at the wrong hockeydb page.. guy is a knob

Markus Pettersson (b.1978) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Markus Pettersson, a hockey player born Mar 9 1978 who was active from 1997 to 2003.

www.hockeydb.com

 

[LemonSauceD]

He has a full NTC this season that becomes a 12-NTC on July 1st.

I knew about the 12 team, I thought he specifically had a NMC for this season, which is why I was wondering where the waiving him talk was coming from.

 

[Nuckles]

When did it change to a steep discount?

Sorry, "significant" discount

 

[andora]

Sorry, "significant" discount

Ah.. and I remembered it as something else, I sure would love to hear what number it was