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[Grip it N RYP it]

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That settles it.

I'm getting myself a custom Pettersson #25 for my birthday.

 

[Hodgy]

That’s the challenge with percentage driven drops though - players are often perceived as playing terribly because the results aren’t there. It’s hard to disentangle the two.

But I think, theoretically, there are two different scenarios with percentage drops. You have players that look good and continue to play well, but don’t get results, and you have players that don’t look good and don’t play well, to the eye, and don’t get results. Pettersson in that slump really seemed to be in the latter category. And I get that results can cloud one’s judgement, but Pettersson really looked awful in that stretch and if you go back and read the game reports from this time that is exactly what many posters thought as well.

There also isn’t a player in the league that wouldn’t ascribe their drop off in those circumstances to mental factors like squeezing their stick too tightly, or thinking too much when they’re on the ice.

Yes and no. You also hear players talk about how they think they are playing well and are confident that the results will come while going through a slump. I don’t totally disagree with you, but the mental aspect of the game is important and also can drive results.

For sure, and I won’t pretend he played well during that stretch. But if it weren’t for both dropping off at the same time I think that stretch would have more likely been viewed as a normal fluctuation in play, rather than a major drop off.

And this is kind of the crux of it: what is a normal fluctuation and is Pettersson’s fluctuations more extreme. I don’t purport to know the answer because I haven’t measured his slumps against others.

Pettersson’s recent drop off is qualitatively different because his numbers have dramatically fallen even though the percentages are near, though a bit below, his career norms. This season undermines that poor play drives his on-ice percentages materially lower. But it is also way more concerning because there isn’t much to hope for in terms of positive regression - better numbers are only going to come through a major improvement in play/results.

Yes, fair point. We can at least hope his current slump is injury driven.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

 

[dez]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

Howard was a late first, why is everyone clamoring to give top prospects+ for a guy putting up numbers in college? If anything he will be traded for someone in his range where he was drafted.

 

[brock hughes007]

Some GM (hello Treliving) is going to make a really stupid mistake.

Boeser gonna rob a contract with someone.Glad it's not us.

 

[StreetHawk]

DANG

100 points need to be held in context with the 3 point games. So far throughly 255 games have gone into OT. That is an average of 8 per team. So true ‘500 is now 90 points. Just to have a point of reference.

 

[credulous]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

i'd love for the canucks to trade for him and sign him but if he's willing to go back to school because of a contract dispute with tampa it probably means he's willing to play out his senior year and become a free agent and sign whereever he wants. they'd have to negotiate a contract with him before finalizing the trade or it's too risky imo

 

[brock hughes007]

Boeser walking for nothing when we should've traded him.. what a disaster of a season

Atleast in the benning days you had optimism for the future but now we're well on our way to being the next chicago blackhawks for the next 10 years

Embarrassing

No on wanted him plain and simple.Other teams have been watching the same crap as we have watched.There where other players available that where better and got scooped up.

 

[ManVanFan]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

Isaac Howard is worth Lekker plus? Lekker is up to 22% star potential and Howard is 5%.

I'd give up Ty Mueller and McWard.

 

[God]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

you don't give up lekk for an unsigned prospect much less one that isn't guaranteed to put up lekk's results so far, but i wouldn't mind moving out a D prospect if they can guarantee signing him. these american kids likely just wanna sign in whatever american city they like most, probably detroit in this case

 

[StreetHawk]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

TB should have prepared for this. He was a ppg guy as a So. So if he matched or bettered that as a jr, he’d be looking to sign.

 

[rypper]

If the right team signs Boeser they're going to win big. A fresh start and put him with the right center and he'll rack up the points.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Canucks should be all over in trying to get Isaac Howard from Tampa. Just won the Hobey Baker and is unlikely to sign with Tampa because of cap reasons.

Lekky and Kudryavtsev/Mancini?

are you insane?

all three of those players are better prospects than howard. howard is also an undersized top 6 or bust winger which ought to be our lowest possible priority at the present time. the canucks also have absolutely nothing to offer an american top 6 or bust winger to entice them to sign here. finally, the canucks are playing hardball to sign willander for the exact same reason tampa is choking on howard, which is the cap implications of his performance bonuses and so acquiring the rights to howard would cause us exactly the same problem. if we're going to commit bonus money to cap then we need to do it on willander first.

 

[Diablo2020]

Rebuilding or re tooling has f*** all to do with Marcus Pettersson. Such a strange post.

A legit 20-22 minute munching d man signed to an excellent long term contract has exactly what to do with rebuilding?

Its the original JT Miller trade all over again.

Right player, but wrong time in our timeline. A 29 year old player signed for 6 years kind of forces us to cut corners yet again and do everything possible to build a contender on the fly. We tried that six years ago with Miller and although he exceeded expectations and almost singlehandidly carried us closer to contention status, six years later and we're the same team we were when we brought him in. No closer to contending today than we were in 2019.

This team can be turned on a dime upwards with a couple good moves. Or they can tear it to shreds for the neckbeard/ Video Game analytics outfit. They get to a live game every few years and own an old shitty sweater.

They can continue to build on top of a a decent core or they can take a blowtorch to the thing like the guardian suggests 7x7x24x7x365. . He last attended a game when they played on Hastings Street.

A couple good pieces away..

Decent core...

Are we fans of the same team? Do you goto every game that guardian or me hasnt and see this roster as close?!

This is a core of one player, Quinn Hughes.

Boeser is gone.
Demko is broken.
Petey is awol.
Miller is traded.

Maybe Hronek and Mpetey are core to you but that just shows how pathetic we've been that decent realiable players are pigeonholed in as core because we have nothing else.

Marcus Pettersson is the tipping point. Now I've heard it all. At least involve Lankinen as his running mate if you plan o post this nonsense.

Not a tipping point just a player that we grabbed two years too late who is now 29 and playing for a team trending down by the day. A team that is going to be forced to rebuild by default because they are not in fact one or two pieces away.

 

[Diablo2020]

Legit one of the best posts I’ve seen on here in a while.
It’s in the trade thread

I posted that in response to YOU trying to peddle Willander before he even plays a game for Vancouver.

And like I replied at the time, seeing Oscar Fantenberg almost broke me. And also like I replied to you, I had a sneaky suspicion if I went one more year back we were in Matt Bartowski range and I NEVER WANT TO GO BACK THERE.

Defense is our strength now. DO NOT ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL for the love of god.

Plus as others have mentioned Tyler Myers has more than served a purpose. And realistically hes still ahead of Mancini but we're on the verge of having a stacked top 6 and after countless time spent addressing the defense there is no way Allvin sacrifices it, imo at least.

Hes name dropped Tom Willander probably 10 times in public as a player everyone asks for while weve been desperate.

I cant wait to see him name drop Tom Willander as untouchable, when we're NOT desperate.

It will be straight up "pound sand" vibes from here on out for Allvin regarding our young defenseman as trade bait I believe.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Isaac Howard is worth Lekker plus? Lekker is up to 22% star potential and Howard is 5%.

I'd give up Ty Mueller and McWard.

Howard is one of the best top prospects in the world and just had a dominant college season. I also don’t understand/confused as to what metric you’re using to determine these arbitrary values of “star potential”.

you don't give up lekk for an unsigned prospect much less one that isn't guaranteed to put up lekk's results so far, but i wouldn't mind moving out a D prospect if they can guarantee signing him. these american kids likely just wanna sign in whatever american city they like most, probably detroit in this case

I imagine you do this sort of deal if you know with absolute certainty that Howard is going to sign which every single GM calling is going to want to know otherwise Howard has little trade value in the first place.

I will admit I am lower on Lekkermaki than most on these forums despite realizing the kind of potential he has. I do think this team should try and target near NHL ready forward prospects if they can. Seeing someone like Howard potentially available is something a team like ours with relatively few of these types of guys should be targeting.

In my mind, Lekkerimaki still has ways to go. I don’t think he’s NHL ready at all and the team clearly thinks there’s still a lot more work ahead of him being sent down for the rest of the year. Perhaps you don’t trade Lekkerimaki for another prospect, but rather, for a top 6 player which we should 100% be looking to do.

are you insane?

all three of those players are better prospects than howard. howard is also an undersized top 6 or bust winger which ought to be our lowest possible priority at the present time. the canucks also have absolutely nothing to offer an american top 6 or bust winger to entice them to sign here. finally, the canucks are playing hardball to sign willander for the exact same reason tampa is choking on howard, which is the cap implications of his performance bonuses and so acquiring the rights to howard would cause us exactly the same problem. if we're going to commit bonus money to cap then we need to do it on willander first.

What?

The reason why we haven’t signed Willander yet has nothing to do with not being able to sign him but rather he’s quite literally still playing in the frozen four.

Secondly, Howard is a much better prospect than Kudryavtsev and Mancini full stop. Personally, I think Howard is a better prospect than Lekkerimaki but it can definitely be debated considering Lekkerimaki is producing in much better league right now.

You argue Howard is an undersized top 6 or bust prospect without acknowledging this describes Lekkerimaki himself. In fact, Howard also weighs 20 more pounds and plays a much heavier game and is a bull on skates. You just looked at him being 5’11.

 

[Diablo2020]

okokok im actually starting to sound cynical even to myself here but Isaac Howard is an everything example of why we are screwed and adding the "couple pieces" to turn this around is going to be the biggest challenge management has had to date, regardless of what Canuck fans seem to think.

Isaac Howard was just a finalist for the Hobey Baker. He's one of the top prospects in college hockey today.

We would actually have to give up Lekkerimaki, plus to get him. Is that even an marginal upgrade? Hell nah. In fact as many pointed out here already, Lekkerimaki is probably the better player and asset here today.

But THAT is what it will take to pry a player of that "status" from a team like Tampa Bay.

Ideally he'd be a great age gap target, although we need centers truly. But a 21 year old player whose developed and ready to sign a deal tomorrow? THATS EVERYTHING WE NEED.

Id overpay in picks. 1st, 2nd, 3rd give me the NHL ready 21 year old yes.

But look around you! Know who doesnt need more picks and could use a Isaac Howard just as much as us?

EVERY single team around us.

Does Buffalo need another 18 year old? Hell no.

Does Columbus need another 18 year old? Hell no.

Does Calgary need another 18 year old? Hell no.

Does Utah need another 18 year old? Hell no.

We are massively under ammo'd against every single team looking to take the next step. For the people that will reply "but hed get opportunity here", I give you Seattle, Philly, Boston, Chicago as places that DO need more 18 year olds but yet could also shoehorn in Howard tomorrow in their top9 and be better off for it.

In conclusion.

A. We'd have to overpay to get him even at Lekk 1-1.
B. We'd be outbid by 20 other teams
C. The quirky american kid from the east coast probably wouldnt pick Vancouver Canada even if he was a FA.

 

[Diablo2020]

Sean Couturier. Retained, and with some picks or pick swaps.

(Philly has SEVEN top 50 picks this year)

Stay in our lane Canuck Fans. We be shopping in the bargain bins not going after Hobey Baker winners and the top UFAs.

 

[arttk]

No on wanted him plain and simple.Other teams have been watching the same crap as we have watched.There where other players available that where better and got scooped up.

The fact he played like ass after his concussion and him wanting a 7 year term to extend are the reasons no team put in an offer.

 

[Goatlender]

Sean Couturier. Retained, and with some picks or pick swaps.

(Philly has SEVEN top 50 picks this year)

Stay in our lane Canuck Fans. We be shopping in the bargain bins not going after Hobey Baker winners and the top UFAs.

Why would we want an aging 3C?

 

[Diablo2020]

Why would we want an aging 3C?

Because we will not be a finalist for UFA Sam Bennett or 34 year old Matt Duchene for free regardless of what fans seem to think.

Because we dont have the assets or will be outbid for 21 year old Isaac Howard.

Because we dont have the assets or will be outbid for 23 year old Marco Rossi.

Because Columbus and Utah for example have zero reason to send us Cole Sillinger or Barrett Hayton unless we overpaid and decimated the one asset we have, young defenders.

Because not only do we need a competent (yes aging and broken down though) center who can win some draws, we need to not pay much for them or even GAIN currency adding them.

 

[rypper]

Sean Couturier. Retained, and with some picks or pick swaps.

(Philly has SEVEN top 50 picks this year)

Stay in our lane Canuck Fans. We be shopping in the bargain bins not going after Hobey Baker winners and the top UFAs.

Full NMC. Team captain. 32 with 5 years left at 7.75m. Philly isn't trading him nor retaining on 5 years left lol. He's played his entire career in Philly and isn't going to uproot to come to the opposite side of north America lol.

And he has 43 points in the season. I wouldn't call him bargain bin.

 

[krutovsdonut]

What?

The reason why we haven’t signed Willander yet has nothing to do with not being able to sign him but rather he’s quite literally still playing in the frozen four.

Secondly, Howard is a much better prospect than Kudryavtsev and Mancini full stop. Personally, I think Howard is a better prospect than Lekkerimaki but it can definitely be debated considering Lekkerimaki is producing in much better league right now.

You argue Howard is an undersized top 6 or bust prospect without acknowledging this describes Lekkerimaki himself. In fact, Howard also weighs 20 more pounds and plays a much heavier game and is a bull on skates. You just looked at him being 5’11.

ncaa hobey baker winners are not sure fire prospects and you need to separate out the high draft picks who won it at 20 or younger to maintain perspective when looking at a 22 year old like howard who had 14 goals his first two ncaa seasons. he is a good prospect but i would also expect lekkermaki to tear the ncaa apart this season considering he was nearly ppg in the ahl this year as a rookie which is a much harder league, and that is despite being yanked around like a yoyo . adam gaudette was also a highly touted hobey baker winner and 6' 1" and he scored more than howard in his last season.

and i would not trade any 5' 11" winger prospect for a defensive prospect with top 4 upside after their first year of pro, which both mancini and kudryatsev have. mancini is playing 15 minutes in the nhl right now at age 22 and not being exposed on skating. he's a rhd and he is 6' 3" and weighs 230 lbs who can skate and has enough hockey sense to jump right into the nhl as a rookie. he's a much better prospect than many people here are crediting because they wanted something sexier back for miller. kudryatsev is probably going to get traded due to numbers, but he's also a really nice prospect and throwing him in as an add on in a trade for the rights to howard is nuts.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Full NMC. Team captain. 32 with 5 years left at 7.75m. Philly isn't trading him nor retaining on 5 years left lol. He's played his entire career in Philly and isn't going to uproot to come to the opposite side of north America lol.

And he has 43 points in the season. I wouldn't call him bargain bin.

Yeah...We are making this overly complicated.

Pay up for Suter and flip the 1st rounder along with a D prospect for a younger top 6 forward.

Also pray. Pray hard. You hope a guy from Abbotsford takes a massive leap foward in the next 7-8 months.

Then you sign McDavid and Eichel in 2026.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I have a weird gut feeling Boeser is gonna end up in Washington and they are gonna trade for his rights

I have no idea if they have cap space or not I just had a thought in my head