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I think people read into things/hear things in such a way as to confirm biases. convinced yourself two weeks ago that his relationship with the organization was fooked because of a Dhaliwal tweet.

Now obsessing over the lack of excitement in his voice when the hosts pivoted from talking about his season at BU and the upcoming frozen four game to his thoughts on our schizophrenic fanbase.
Maybe a bit far, but I understand what you’re getting at😅
 
Yes, you are betting on the upside of McTavish. If you bet on the upside of one, you should probably bet on the upside of the other side of the trade. Willander becomes a top pair D and a mid round pick becomes a middle 6 forward or a top 4 defender.

That's basically what LA did but they didn't need to bet on the upside of Fiala. Which should mean more value than a player that you have to bet on upside with but yet the return of a young RHD with possible upside and a mid first round pick should be the same return? I would argue close to equal because McTavish is younger. In the end Ohgren has just started his career and people are giving the edge to Minny two years later.
if we end up trading Willander (I hope we don't), it's not because management thinks he's not worth betting on, it's more of a you need to give up value to get value and defense prospect is where we have depth.

I do wonder if they are showcasing Mancini now by playing him way more minutes than DPetey and Mancini is the guy we are trying to use as the trade chip.
 
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Management took the team into the season two blueliners short.

You see how different things look now with Mancini and the Petterssons.

And then once you trade Miller, you're a forward short on a team that was already a forward short. And then they didn't weaponize the capspace at the TDL.

The team was giving flat efforts 90% of the nights up until the Miller trade. Management has to eat the blame for that too because they could have pivoted away from JT years ago, but they didn't.

This season falls at their feet.

And if they get things wrong in the summer, they should be fired. You have to give them a chance to right the wrongs of this year.
 


Not sure where to stick this, but no surprises here with both of these guys having had injury troubles this year. I think EP40 would fall into the same boat. Would expect Boeser to pass as well given his pending UFA status (and Suter for Switzerland).

Guys I could see being asked/interested -

Canada -
Tyler Myers (if healthy)
Jake DeBrusk

USA -
Conor Garland
Kiefer Sherwood

Finland -
Kevin Lankinen

Czechia -
Filip Hronek

Sweden -
Marcus Pettersson
Nils Hoglander
 


Not sure where to stick this, but no surprises here with both of these guys having had injury troubles this year. I think EP40 would fall into the same boat. Would expect Boeser to pass as well given his pending UFA status (and Suter for Switzerland).

Guys I could see being asked/interested -

Canada -
Tyler Myers (if healthy)
Jake DeBrusk

USA -
Conor Garland
Kiefer Sherwood

Finland -
Kevin Lankinen

Czechia -
Filip Hronek

Sweden -
Marcus Pettersson
Nils Hoglander

Sherwood should pass. He can try negotiating a long term deal this summer. Shouldn't risk injury
 
You just hope Allvin learns from his mistakes and just foregoes any UFA signing unless they are impactful signings. Zero reason to really sign Heinen and Sprong last off-season. DeBrusk is just such a tweener but the contract isn't too bad. Desharnais was a shit signing.

Adding Heinen and Sprong really limited any cap flexibility and forced us to act by trading the Poolman contract for zero reason.
 
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You just hope Allvin learns from his mistakes and just foregoes any UFA signing unless they are impactful signings. Zero reason to really sign Heinen and Sprong last off-season. DeBrusk is just such a tweener but the contract isn't too bad. Desharnais was a shit signing.

Adding Heinen and Sprong really limited any cap flexibility and forced us to act by trading the Poolman contract for zero reason.

I do think Allvin managed to raise the floor of our forward group. Sherwood was an excellent signing, parlaying Heinen into O'Connor was solid as well. And hopefully Joshua is able to more fully bounce back with a full off season to train. And we've got some guys pushing from the bottom, too (Raty, Karlsson, etc.)

Our D and G should also be relatively stable as well, give or take a veteran like Forbort.

Our pressing need now is game-breaking talent up front. And that need just gets even more glaring if we lose either or both of Boeser and Suter.
 
Our pressing need now is game-breaking talent up front. And that need just gets even more glaring if we lose either or both of Boeser and Suter.
Not sure we need to be so singular about how we think about our needs. VGK before they acquired all those elite talents was just a team that was uber deep and they were very competitive despite not having elite talent.
If we can't get another elite talent this off season, just get better depth and more... It might be more attainable to get like two to three 55-60ish point guy and just be competitive in the short term and then pounce if/when an elite player becomes available.
 
You just hope Allvin learns from his mistakes and just foregoes any UFA signing unless they are impactful signings. Zero reason to really sign Heinen and Sprong last off-season. DeBrusk is just such a tweener but the contract isn't too bad. Desharnais was a shit signing.

Adding Heinen and Sprong really limited any cap flexibility and forced us to act by trading the Poolman contract for zero reason.
At 975k Sprong had virtually no cap effect and they ditched him at no cost; no problem there. Heinen and Desharnais didn't work out but Sherwood was a steal. Debrusk has been alright, earned his keep.
 
Management took the team into the season two blueliners short.

You see how different things look now with Mancini and the Petterssons.

And then once you trade Miller, you're a forward short on a team that was already a forward short. And then they didn't weaponize the capspace at the TDL.

The team was giving flat efforts 90% of the nights up until the Miller trade. Management has to eat the blame for that too because they could have pivoted away from JT years ago, but they didn't.

This season falls at their feet.

And if they get things wrong in the summer, they should be fired. You have to give them a chance to right the wrongs of this year.

they had a lot of (legitimate) excuses for this season going the way it did but i am in 100% agreement that they made a lot of unforced errors along the way. i don't think anything they did rises to the level of 'must fire' but i think they've exhausted any slack they had and they need to perform at the very least a B level this summer if they want to keep their jobs. they can't afford to be moving assets to dump salary or having a keifer sherwood level free agent addition be the highlight of the summer. they don't need to fix everything right away but if they can't drastically improve the top six by the trade deadline (without resorting to rentals) they really shouldn't get another shot at it
 
All I ever hear is that this mgmt is willing to make bold moves, but other than trading Miller (which they had to) and Horvat (which was basically a Horvat vs Miller scenario), they haven't really made a bold move.

Lindholm last year basically moved mostly spare parts.

Now they have limited assets and need atleast 2, if not 3, Top 6 Fs.

This team is going to be bargain bin shopping again this offseason.
 
Not sure we need to be so singular about how we think about our needs. VGK before they acquired all those elite talents was just a team that was uber deep and they were very competitive despite not having elite talent.
If we can't get another elite talent this off season, just get better depth and more... It might be more attainable to get like two to three 55-60ish point guy and just be competitive in the short term and then pounce if/when an elite player becomes available.

I know the year has been a weird ass disaster, but we don't have a single forward in that 55-60 point range (~ the bottom third of top 75 most productive forwards this year), finding an additional 2-3 players who can produce like that is unlikely to happen quickly IMO.
 
All I ever hear is that this mgmt is willing to make bold moves, but other than trading Miller (which they had to) and Horvat (which was basically a Horvat vs Miller scenario), they haven't really made a bold move.

Lindholm last year basically moved mostly spare parts.

Now they have limited assets and need atleast 2, if not 3, Top 6 Fs.

This team is going to be bargain bin shopping again this offseason.

You don’t consider trading multiple 1st round picks, 2nds, and prospects as bold moves?
 
they had a lot of (legitimate) excuses for this season going the way it did but i am in 100% agreement that they made a lot of unforced errors along the way. i don't think anything they did rises to the level of 'must fire' but i think they've exhausted any slack they had and they need to perform at the very least a B level this summer if they want to keep their jobs. they can't afford to be moving assets to dump salary or having a keifer sherwood level free agent addition be the highlight of the summer. they don't need to fix everything right away but if they can't drastically improve the top six by the trade deadline (without resorting to rentals) they really shouldn't get another shot at it
Agree

But seeing that this team finished with 90 points. Just knowing that 5 better efforts this season or 10 games less of Juulharnais probably gets us to the playoffs man. And then maybe they're in a position to add a forward at the deadline. So weird.
 
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He’s 22! 58 points over 82 games is very good production.
The last 23 games he has played basically at ppg pace and is the only Duck over 50% Xg in that span. Add that to the fact he is playing for one of the worst coaches in the league. He fits everything this team needs in a 2C.
 
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I know the year has been a weird ass disaster, but we don't have a single forward in that 55-60 point range (~ the bottom third of top 75 most productive forwards this year), finding an additional 2-3 players who can produce like that is unlikely to happen quickly IMO.
its more likely than finding a 1st line player. I think if you put like 2 50ish point players with Petey and Petey rebounds, he should be able to elevate them like he did with Kuz and Beau.
 
its more likely than finding a 1st line player. I think if you put like 2 50ish point players with Petey and Petey rebounds, he should be able to elevate them like he did with Kuz and Beau.
it is first line production.
 
I think people read into things/hear things in such a way as to confirm biases. convinced yourself two weeks ago that his relationship with the organization was fooked because of a Dhaliwal tweet.

Now obsessing over the lack of excitement in his voice when the hosts pivoted from talking about his season at BU and the upcoming frozen four game to his thoughts on our schizophrenic fanbase.
Yes, this is entirely possible. Of course, it's not like we don't have a history of this kind of thing happening either. Cast your mind way back to the beginning of the season and all the drama surrounding Miller. I thought it was absurd that Miller wouldn't be part of this team by mid season.

So yeah, it's difficult to tell what's paranoia and what may actually happen from what's picked up in the media and comments from the players and management. This management says and does some frankly weird shit.
 
Yes, this is entirely possible. Of course, it's not like we don't have a history of this kind of thing happening either. Cast your mind way back to the beginning of the season and all the drama surrounding Miller. I thought it was absurd that Miller wouldn't be part of this team by mid season.

So yeah, it's difficult to tell what's paranoia and what may actually happen from what's picked up in the media and comments from the players and management. This management is says and does some frankly weird shit.
The Pettersson/Miller situation was a black swan event.

Willander's decision to turn pro and how to do it - whether to burn a year by signing now vs signing with Abby now and with Vancouver in the new league year - is run of the mill stuff. His agent negotiating through their usual mouthpieces is as well.
 
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