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[Ernie]

Tocchet

• Friedman had made a comment where he said that he can’t see a situation where the Canucks force Tocchet to coach under his option
• Canucks are not happy around the noise of Tocchet and Philadelphia
• Canucks have made their displeasure clear to the league and, potentially, to the Flyers themselves
• Canucks’ season is not over and have some contractual rights and want those to be respected
• Still thinks the Canucks want to be extended
• If he’s coaching next year, it will be in Vancouver whether that is under the option or an extension
• Can’t trade compensation for coaches anymore
• Another manager wonders if this situation leads to the end of coaching options
• Thinks everyone has their backs up a bit but everything is solvable
• Three conversations to be had 1) contract 2) state of the team and 3) if this season has been too draining
• Canucks recent coaches have been paid in the high 2m and Tocchet will be higher than that and doesn’t know if the Canucks are comfortable going higher
• Someone told Friedman that he’s pounded Vancouver all season; when he reported on Tocchet, it was like the 9th time he was on them
• Tocchet has said all the right things but the noise with the Flyers pissed off the Canucks a little bit

Canucks’ Needs

• Have talked about getting a centre but they are hard to find

Once again thanks for transcribing. It really clears up the Tocchet situation.

If this comes down to the Aquilinis being cheap I'm going to be beyond pissed. Then need to pay him the going rate ($5m or so) AND bring in an experienced assistant for like $1m.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Once again thanks for transcribing. It really clears up the Tocchet situation.

If this comes down to the Aquilinis being cheap I'm going to be beyond pissed. Then need to pay him the going rate ($5m or so) AND bring in an experienced assistant for like $1m.

Between the tariffs and slowdown of the economy, especially when it comes to new real estate developments. I could totally see Francesco being ultra conservative when it comes to payroll at all levels.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Chuckled at the bit about Friedman pounding Vancouver. I don't disagree he has, but I think pretty much every insider/pundit has been in the same boat.

 

[TruGr1t]

Chuckled at the bit about Friedman pounding Vancouver. I don't disagree he has, but I think pretty much every insider/pundit has been in the same boat.

Canucks have completely brought it on themselves, reporters just follow the noise, and they have had terrible PR.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Canucks have completely brought it on themselves, reporters just follow the noise, and they have had terrible PR.

Yeah, I don't really disagree. Insiders and Pundits report on news. The Canucks have been generating news - unfortunately for lousy reasons more often than not - all season. (and I dislike most of the insiders and pundits)

 

[JT Milker]

Ugh, he's a low calorie guy who doesn't provide anything other than speed and some dynamism if others do every piece of the work.

So he can be okay as the 3rd piece on an elite elite top line. Or generate some of his own offense from the third line, while giving up more than he generates.

But he's a Mike Hoffman, Andreas Athanasiou type. I'd steer clear for our purposes.

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And does the rubber pants brigade really have to wishcast this "Hughes will leave and we're f***ed" stuff into existence through sheer repetition on these boards?

We're in a pretty good place.

Our D is set. We have solid to great (depending on Demko) goaltending.

And we have a top line center if Petey can find his game again, we have fantastic depth up front, and Dakota Joshua will be like a new player next year, Lekkerimaki will continue to evolve.

What we're missing isn't super hard to acquire in top 6 wingers and a second line center. In fact, of all the deficits you can have, this is one of the better ones to have.

The problem is, the UFA class isn't great. But our braintrust have identified what we need and will set out to fill it.

Even if we don't fill every need this off season, there are future off seasons to hone our path.

Everyone thinks it's tank or be the cup winner.

Most teams that have success are good to really good for long stretches, occasionally take a step back, then find another wind with much of the same core.

We're not likely to win the cup next year and that's okay. We can enjoy the process without vigorously doomcasting the worst possible scenarios.

Banging the Ehlers drum again. Load up that first line and then run 2 middle 6 all situations lines and a cheap 4th line.

Debrusk Pettersson Ehlers
Joshua Suter Garland
O’Connor Blueger Sherwood
Hoglander/Aman/Raty/Karlsson/Sasson/whatever

If not Ehlers/another UFA, they should move a younger player and picks for a similar quality top 6 forward.

I assume Chytil is going to be on LTIR for a while and Hoglander should probably be moved although he’s useful depth in case of injuries on the first 3 lines. It also can’t be overstated how important it is for EP to be good again.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Tocchet

• Friedman had made a comment where he said that he can’t see a situation where the Canucks force Tocchet to coach under his option
• Canucks are not happy around the noise of Tocchet and Philadelphia
• Canucks have made their displeasure clear to the league and, potentially, to the Flyers themselves
• Canucks’ season is not over and have some contractual rights and want those to be respected
• Still thinks the Canucks want to be extended
• If he’s coaching next year, it will be in Vancouver whether that is under the option or an extension
• Can’t trade compensation for coaches anymore
• Another manager wonders if this situation leads to the end of coaching options
• Thinks everyone has their backs up a bit but everything is solvable
• Three conversations to be had 1) contract 2) state of the team and 3) if this season has been too draining
• Canucks recent coaches have been paid in the high 2m and Tocchet will be higher than that and doesn’t know if the Canucks are comfortable going higher
• Someone told Friedman that he’s pounded Vancouver all season; when he reported on Tocchet, it was like the 9th time he was on them
• Tocchet has said all the right things but the noise with the Flyers pissed off the Canucks a little bit

Canucks’ Needs

• Have talked about getting a centre but they are hard to find

The last part just has to make you laugh.

No kidding. Most of the league is looking for a center (or two).

One of the reasons why I want them to hold onto their 1st given home many centers are projected to go in the 1st round this year.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Yeah, I don't really disagree. Insiders and Pundits report on news. The Canucks have been generating news - unfortunately for lousy reasons more often than not - all season. (and I dislike most of the insiders and pundits)

It's been a few years now. I really thought this group would be more responsible in containing leaks and handling tough situations but they are proving to be rather bad in the PR department.

It all started with the circus around Rachel Doerrie.
How they handled Tanner Pearson's injury.
Prolonging Boudreau's tenure here.
The whole Pettersson fiasco last year.
This year was something else. Just non-stop missteps.

 

[TruGr1t]

It's been a few years now. I really thought this group would be more responsible in containing leaks and handling tough situations but they are proving to be rather bad in the PR department.

It all started with the circus around Rachel Doerrie.
How they handled Tanner Pearson's injury.
Prolonging Boudreau's tenure here.
The whole Pettersson fiasco last year.
This year was something else. Just non-stop missteps.

They also brought Rutherford in saying he would "offer more transparency" and then largely pulled him from doing media only to trot him out for that bizarre Pettersson/Miller press junket.

 

[Ernie]

The last part just has to make you laugh.

No kidding. Most of the league is looking for a center (or two).

One of the reasons why I want them to hold onto their 1st given home many centers are projected to go in the 1st round this year.

They need a center now, not in 5 years.

Beyond the timing, the odds of a mid 1st pick becoming an impact player is a crapshoot at best.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

They need a center now, not in 5 years.

Well they are not going to get a center now that will help in any meaningful way.

So hold onto the pick, draft a C and maybe the kid can be part of the plans within 2-3 years.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Well they are not going to get a center now that will help in any meaningful way.

So hold onto the pick, draft a C and maybe the kid can be part of the plans within 2-3 years.

I agree.

I am not slotting any UFA's in our lineup because most of the highly desired UFA's are probably going to stay in Eastern or Southern markets.

So the best we can hope for is a guy like Rossi or Mavrik Bourque being pried loose via trade or offer-sheet or buying low on Elias Lindholm.

Not really any sure bet moves though.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I agree.

I am not slotting any UFA's in our lineup because most of the highly desired UFA's are probably going to stay in Eastern or Southern markets.

So the best we can hope for is a guy like Rossi or Mavrik Bourque being pried loose via trade or offer-sheet or buying low on Elias Lindholm.

Not really any sure bet moves though.

Depending on how the Willander ELC discussions go after the Frozen Four, it's possible he could be dealt if he wants to return to BU for another year and given the progression of other defensive prospects (EP2, Kud, Mynio).

Even then, it would likely be to acquire a young C with potential rather than current ability.

It's really the only way I see the Nucks acquiring a young C with Top 6 potential given their lack of tradeable assets.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Banging the Ehlers drum again. Load up that first line and then run 2 middle 6 all situations lines and a cheap 4th line.

Debrusk Pettersson Ehlers
Joshua Suter Garland
O’Connor Blueger Sherwood
Hoglander/Aman/Raty/Karlsson/Sasson/whatever

If not Ehlers/another UFA, they should move a younger player and picks for a similar quality top 6 forward.

I assume Chytil is going to be on LTIR for a while and Hoglander should probably be moved although he’s useful depth in case of injuries on the first 3 lines. It also can’t be overstated how important it is for EP to be good again.

I think that lineup is one good 2C away from being a decently competitive team, with the D group we have and the 2 goalies (assuming healthy) on the roster. Getting Ehlers will be huge, and assuming EP40 regains form (even at just PPG), that solves a lot of the issues.

I love Suter and would want him to come back at a reasonable price, but I prefer him on the wing and an insurance for injuries at center.

We need to add 2 top-6 pieces this summer at minimum, a play driving winger and a 2C. If we can get that, and a EP40 rebound, I feel pretty optimistic about next season.

 

[racerjoe]

People also tend to forget that wingers are the cheapest, easiest players to acquire on the market.

Its why Boeser didn’t command a haul this year, Guentzel went for way less than expected last deadline, Stone in his prime went for the equivalent of Lekk + a 2nd, and a whole other host of examples. I think Rantanen might’ve been the first elite winger who commanded multiple high end assets in quite some time - usually it’s just 1st or blue chip prospect, not both.

If they go the route of finding 2 more Debrusk/Garland level players on the wings instead, history suggests the acquisition price won’t be particularly high there either.

The second line center position though will 100% be pricey, and I can see them waiting on that one with a stopgap guy in the interim. Like you said though, it’s a process to getting there, and once JT was dealt they basically conceded to pushing their window out a bit farther.

Rantanen also came with a giant extension in place unlike Brock, or Guentzel or even even Stone.

 

[Szechwan]

I've been out of the loop - what's the word on college FA's these days? Have they all been snapped up? Are any even worth looking at?

 

[Diablo2020]

So the best we can hope for is a guy like Rossi or Mavrik Bourque being pried loose via trade or offer-sheet or buying low on Elias Lindholm.

Even then, it would likely be to acquire a young C with potential rather than current ability.

It's really the only way I see the Nucks acquiring a young C with Top 6 potential given their lack of tradeable assets.

This team is more likely to take a Zibanejad or a Lindholm, at some retention, or along with some picks than they are to throw the compensation required for a Rossi or Bourque.

And truly if theyre committed to Ep40 then Zibanejad at #2C and Lindholm at #3C while drafting young centers and keeping our young assets is probably a easier fix and better for the longterm of the franchise than whatever fireworks are going to be required to turn this into something better tomorrow.

 

[Bgav]

I've been out of the loop - what's the word on college FA's these days? Have they all been snapped up? Are any even worth looking at?

I heard that Tom Willander guy is pretty good

 

[arttk]

People also tend to forget that wingers are the cheapest, easiest players to acquire on the market.

Its why Boeser didn’t command a haul this year, Guentzel went for way less than expected last deadline, Stone in his prime went for the equivalent of Lekk + a 2nd, and a whole other host of examples. I think Rantanen might’ve been the first elite winger who commanded multiple high end assets in quite some time - usually it’s just 1st or blue chip prospect, not both.

If they go the route of finding 2 more Debrusk/Garland level players on the wings instead, history suggests the acquisition price won’t be particularly high there either.

The second line center position though will 100% be pricey, and I can see them waiting on that one with a stopgap guy in the interim. Like you said though, it’s a process to getting there, and once JT was dealt they basically conceded to pushing their window out a bit farther.

Rantanen might be the only elite elite level forward with no issues (behavioral, physical) traded in recent years. I mean, when was the last time a 100+ point forward was traded? Stone & Eichel didn't have a history of multiple 100+ point seasons when they were traded.

 

[Attack Vector]

Didn't think about it before but perhaps Zibanejad might be the guy Canucks acquire in the off-season. and didn't There are rumors he denied the trade mid-season to Vancouver but it's possible he will open to moving in the off-season.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I wonder if Seattle would move on from Chandler Stephenson already.

 

[Bgav]

I wonder if Seattle would move on from Chandler Stephenson already.

No one is touching that contract

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

This team is more likely to take a Zibanejad or a Lindholm, at some retention, or along with some picks than they are to throw the compensation required for a Rossi or Bourque.

And truly if theyre committed to Ep40 then Zibanejad at #2C and Lindholm at #3C while drafting young centers and keeping our young assets is probably a easier fix and better for the longterm of the franchise than whatever fireworks are going to be required to turn this into something better tomorrow.

Mike Zibanejad would be OEL part 2.

 

[credulous]

i'm so tired of this management group

Former Canucks Coach Says Team Is 'Bullying' Rick Tocchet

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[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Jack Quinn seems like the ideal player to replace Boeser. By Sabres fans own remarks they seem to think he is gone and $4.58 million offer sheet would not be matched.

Have watched some Sabres games from time to time I have liked his game the more I watched him. The Sabres tried basically force him and Cozens together when they were a terrible fit and he still produced fairly well. His even strength is good and with his shot he should be a big power play producer.