hot take: if allvin doesn’t turn this team around next year he should be fired.
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Reverend Mayhem
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HOTTER TAKE: If you are wrong, next year, you are fired as a fan and officiallly become: hater.
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I prefer "Play like Sbisa to draft Misa".
But that needed to happen earlier than now.
Revenue, then you have to pay tax, pay players, coaches and management, opex of the team and stadium, minor league. The fact player cost 90M despite them operating close to cap min shows you how much other cost there are.
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Aqua probably thinking the staff should start a "Vancouver Canucks OnlyFans" account to generate more revenue not realizing what it is.
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Hottest take: Aquilini should f*** off.
To complete the prophecy that this is merely a 2009-esque setback, who will we be the neo-Sundin from the Leafs? Tavares to mentor Raty on the wing for a season?
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Brock's single 40 goal season is really going some heavy lifting here, isn't it? 9M for him is wild when they have Ehlers at 7.5M
Of course. I don't expect him to actually get 9M when teams were hesitant to even trade for him. Nor do I expect Ehlers to be undervalued like that.
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That is why you trade for the pick AFTER the lottery, which comes much earlier.
IF the team has a plan beyond TODAY, then there might be other picks to include.
Would offering their first, Willander and ???, Karlsson be an offer of note for that pick, player?
Hot take, this is genuinely a competent and competitive management team, we should stop choosing the mystery box every time we suffer a setback. It has some clear strengths and some things it needs to work on, let them evolve and work on them. This organization could use some long term consistency rather than running around chasing a 'grass is greener on the other side' fallacy.
The instinct to want to punish and get retribution for disappointment needs to be crushed. I mean look at the Jets, for all the regional challenges that org deals with they've had one general manager since it's inception.
Last time we sprinted for the mystery box we tossed a competent management group and then suffered through the long, hopeless Lindenning era.
AFP's half-season numbers can vary pretty wildly from their end of season predictions. It'll be very interesting to see how Boeser drops and Suter rises.
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If you want to cling to this idea that the Ducks are some poverty franchise that can't spend to the cap if they're in a competitive situation to warrant it, have at it. The reality is they can, and likely will when that time comes, which is possibly not too far away.
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IMO a big difference between this year and last are the types of players.
This is truly Tocchet's team, his types of players.
Last year they had a variety of different skill sets, goal scorers, fast checkers but not boards guys, possession and not just dump and chase, a much more difficult team to coach but not a team that is easily countered.
The Canucks are now easy to play against, all the lines play the same game. They are content to play along the boards and crash the net. A careful and planned dump out by the other teams has the Canucks skating in circles, forecheck, back check then dump in for a change.
Even the highly skilled players were forced into the round hole. If they couldn't they were traded away. If they complained they were traded away. All the pressure of scoring/winning was on two or three players and a goalie in the PP or PK. That was JTM, EP40 and Hughes and Hughes was the only one with a free reign as a rover.
But the team is easier to coach, no constructing lines to work together, strengths and weaknesses to make a line . As Tocchet once said, paraphrasing, all the same or plug and play. Easily countered.
This is truly Tocchet's team, his types of players.
Last year they had a variety of different skill sets, goal scorers, fast checkers but not boards guys, possession and not just dump and chase, a much more difficult team to coach but not a team that is easily countered.
The Canucks are now easy to play against, all the lines play the same game. They are content to play along the boards and crash the net. A careful and planned dump out by the other teams has the Canucks skating in circles, forecheck, back check then dump in for a change.
Even the highly skilled players were forced into the round hole. If they couldn't they were traded away. If they complained they were traded away. All the pressure of scoring/winning was on two or three players and a goalie in the PP or PK. That was JTM, EP40 and Hughes and Hughes was the only one with a free reign as a rover.
But the team is easier to coach, no constructing lines to work together, strengths and weaknesses to make a line . As Tocchet once said, paraphrasing, all the same or plug and play. Easily countered.
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Bring in Mikael Granlund to be the next Demitra.
Tavares as the next Sundin.
Just need to find the next Wellwood and Bernier and hope to hell the Anaheim Ducks don't evolve into another 2009-2015 Chicago Blackhawks juggernaut.
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both management and coaching are pretty competent. biggest weakness i see is they have shown a tendency to draw out negotiations in a rising market and fail to lock up players.
i don't think management are responsible for the ep40 or miller drama or demko's health. with demko, i don't see any mismanagement. with the other two, i don't see obvious forks in the road where they took the obvious wrong turns. i'd say they made some wrong decisions on what was best to do about ep40 and miller but those were judgment calls, not incompetence. i also can't dismiss that the owner might have interfered and blocked some options given they are marquee players.
that being said, i do not doubt that a different management team might have found the right formula to deal with one or both of ep40 and miller. i just think that would have been guessing right.
i think he should be fired right now actually
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1. They get the best center available for what amounts to peanuts (hayton and their pick of a former 1st)
2. They hope he rebounds like Sergachev did coming on a more serious injury yeah
3. They probably arent in on Marner IMO and need the C more even if one only costs money compared to the trade cost
If nothing else my guess is if that’s the case he almost certainly will be fired.
This was basically my view when people were debating whether Gillis should be fired. I think the same is true now.
It shouldn’t be hard to find better management but I have no faith that this ownership group will. If Allvin is turfed, Rutherford probably retires and we will get stuck with Dale Tallon assembling the next management team.
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This is so tiring, if you guys don’t anything to support your argument, just say it. Going to hyperbole just shows you don’t have anything to stand on.
I never said they are some poverty franchise, I used them as an example because they are the team with the lowest gate rev in the league and guess what, if you don’t have gate, you can’t spend up to 115M cap which is the whole point.
It seems like you guys ( you and @credulous ) are going towards the argument that, a bunch of teams are going to spend the the cap even as it hit 115M because daddy will pay for it. If that’s your position then just say it.
Yeah i think you can see them learn from the mistakes already. Last season they weren’t aggressive in retaining Z and Lindholm and that led to assets being wasted. This time around they basically signed both MP and DoC almost immediately. That’s the thing, yeah ppl make mistakes, just don’t f***ing repeat it. I think they are good at a bunch of stuff and if they can fix and improve on things that they are not good with, then it’s fine.
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