I mean this became obvious when Rantanen got traded twice, with one return being Stankoven and two late 1sts in distant years. Why would a contender like Carolina want late 1sts and then not subsequently deal them while they are in the middle of their contention window?This was a Be A GM simulated season and you can’t tell me otherwise
Canucks’ Playoff Chances
Tocchet
- Canucks and Flames are really far back on the tie breakers with the Blues and the Wild; can’t just tie these teams in points but need to beat them
- Thinks the Canucks have made Tocchet a contract offer and he he didn’t accept it
- Believes there is a bigger conversation than does Tocchet want to stay
- One conversation is about “where are we going”, “what do we agree about on our roster”, “what do we disagree about on our roster”, and “what’s our process from here on in”
- Second conversation is about his option; can’t see the Canucks forcing Tocchet to coach under the team option
- Extending Tocchet will cost more than they’ve been willing to pay a coach in quite some time
- Doesn’t know when they will sit down and discuss extension talks because, even though the odds are against them, Tocchet doesn’t want to talk about it while there is still a chance
Canucks’ Playoff Chances
Tocchet
- Canucks and Flames are really far back on the tie breakers with the Blues and the Wild; can’t just tie these teams in points but need to beat them
- Thinks the Canucks have made Tocchet a contract offer and he he didn’t accept it
- Believes there is a bigger conversation than does Tocchet want to stay
- One conversation is about “where are we going”, “what do we agree about on our roster”, “what do we disagree about on our roster”, and “what’s our process from here on in”
- Second conversation is about his option; can’t see the Canucks forcing Tocchet to coach under the team option
- Extending Tocchet will cost more than they’ve been willing to pay a coach in quite some time
- Doesn’t know when they will sit down and discuss extension talks because, even though the odds are against them, Tocchet doesn’t want to talk about it while there is still a chance
@arttk I’m sorry, but I need to respond to this.Just stop, Friedman reported we didn’t get offers, teams don’t want to pay a 1st for Brock and it’s pretty f***ing obvious why they wouldn’t.
Agreed, getting that 1st pick in the 3rd round will be very nice.Positivity Post: soucy trade was pretty shrewd especially now.
He continues to struggle, we save 3 million, and get basically a late second rounder for him.
This is a good post, that being said, we had a lame duck coach before with Bruce, would they actually roll it back with Rick?Aquilini, much like any other employer is probably going to cut costs over the next few years to withstand the economic impact of the looming recession and weakening Canadian dollar. He's probably going to have major reservations paying top dollars for a coach. Tocchet probably wants to go back East anyways. Philly would be a decent bet.
Yup, I don’t believe it for a second.@arttk I’m sorry, but I need to respond to this.
I find it absolutely wild that people actually believe that Brock could not get a first, or Suter could not get a second rounder when the market was as open as it was.
When you see guys like Beauvillier, get good draft picks, you know that any sort of “leaking” or just statements about value are completely false.
Not to mention retaining 50% of Brock’s contract as well, you’re telling me that no one was interested?
And especially Suter who can literally play every position, and has scored at a great pace this year?
I call bullshit.
There already is an established history of ownership getting involved to make the playoffs, not to mention Rick has stated multiple times that ownership refuses to do a rebuild, and even this year, Rick said they were planning to keep Brock passed the deadline to use as a rental, why do you think that is?
Everybody knew we had a tough to make the playoffs, and everybody knows the chances of us winning The Stanley Cup is nonexistent this season, that’s just being realistic.
My assumption on what happened is ownership said listen we’re not gonna trade him directly for a first, unless you can flip him for a player immediately, or we are just keeping him and hope we make it.
So the market they were shopping and was completely different, because ownership had no interest in taking that draft pick, and using it as draft capital for trades in the off-season.
That’s my thought process, especially with all the injuries.
And I’m all up for a discussion, as long as it’s respectful
Especially since we’re mostly looking in the Winger market, most of the centres will probably be gone, and everybody looks for defence man.Agreed, getting that 1st pick in the 3rd round will be very nice.
Exactly, and they shouldn’t have honestly, but at the same time, our general manager also shot himself in the foot talking down about Brock, ironically, the PR angle never worked either.Yup, I don’t believe it for a second.
Suter and Boeser would have garnered several picks and prospects. Team simply decided they didn’t want to deal them in an attempt to make the playoffs.
Did we expect them to come out and say that? And lose face? Of course not.
Exactly, Carolina just gets it, they are going to use the extra draft picks, and swing deals with teams and improve the roster, the final part of the deal won’t really be realized until the off season.I mean this became obvious when Rantanen got traded twice, with one return being Stankoven and two late 1sts in distant years. Why would a contender like Carolina want late 1sts and then not subsequently deal them while they are in the middle of their contention window?
The conversations about rosters and agreements and disagreements are of particular interest to me, here. I don't think Allvin's targets have always jived with the types of guys Tocchet would covet.
Exactly, Carolina just gets it, they are going to use the extra draft picks, and swing deals with teams and improve the roster, the final part of the deal won’t really be realized until the off season.
The one thing is, this draft is apparently weak, it will affect things
Canucks’ Playoff Chances
Tocchet
- Canucks and Flames are really far back on the tie breakers with the Blues and the Wild; can’t just tie these teams in points but need to beat them
- Thinks the Canucks have made Tocchet a contract offer and he he didn’t accept it
- Believes there is a bigger conversation than does Tocchet want to stay
- One conversation is about “where are we going”, “what do we agree about on our roster”, “what do we disagree about on our roster”, and “what’s our process from here on in”
- Second conversation is about his option; can’t see the Canucks forcing Tocchet to coach under the team option
- Extending Tocchet will cost more than they’ve been willing to pay a coach in quite some time
- Doesn’t know when they will sit down and discuss extension talks because, even though the odds are against them, Tocchet doesn’t want to talk about it while there is still a chance
You know what, in usual years I agree with you, I feel they have more pressure recentlyI don't think they do. Pretty long history of just turning those draft picks into more draft picks later in the draft.
You know what, in usual years I agree with you, I feel they have more pressure recently
Thanks for posting,
The Rick discussion is interesting because I think the dynamic of it, is mostly not about what Rick wants to do, because the Canucks do have an option to keep him, but Quinn Hughes wants to do.
Everything this season is going to be up to Quinn, Hughes, and next season honestly.
You have one job, make him as happy as possible, get him to sign an extension.
Everything else will be a complete failure, and if he decides to leave us, you absolutely have to trade him, which would be one of the most painful days in Canucks history, does not matter what comes back.
Do you think Carolina is content with just making the playoffs and winning a round every year?The only pressure they have is from their owner and nothing else. Given how heavily involved he is, unless he's shown he has changed his modus operandi, we should expect the exact same result as always.