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[Quinning]

Ooof Canes might be starting to regret the Necas trade:

Necas in Colorado, 3 goals, 5 assists, 8 points in 7 games.
Drury in Colorado, 2 goals in 7 games

Rantanen in Carolina, 1 goal, 1 assist, 2 points in 6 games
Hall in Carolina, 1 assist in 5 games.

Ouch.

I've long suspected Rantanen is a product of MacKinnon and Makar.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

I hope Rantanen implodes in CAR. Then comes to us in FA.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

So if Rantanen struggles and Canes get dumped in the 1st round, going to be interesting to see what happens with him in FA.

He will still get paid, but how much and by whom will be fascinating.

 

[Peen]

You mean after Bruce was fired. Yes it was his best half season, but not nearly as good as many pretend. Would have had huge trade value at the time, and early last year when he wasn't far removed from it.

Yes. Dude he was nuts. Did that w/ Kuzmenko and Mikheyev on a team pre-Hughes breakout, or just at the beginning of QH’s breakout.

Ive posted the list of Cs to hit 100 points in the last 15 or so years.. like far and away the worst player on that list is Nuge. The rest is 87, 97, 29, matthews, malkin, draisaitl, giroux, stamkos, jt, ep, and nuge. (off the top of my head prob im forgetting someone)

And he did that in his age 23 season and, IMO AT THE TIME, it was totally valid to write off the previous inconsistencies due to the weirdness of Benning eras and COVID. Obviously now I look back at that differently and think.. well I guess those were signs but that seems hindsight bias informed.

Suggesting that it was obvious to deal him at that time was just nuts man. If you polled 100 canucks fans two years ago today during that 22-23 season, guarantee you 80-90% at minimum would have put EP above Hughes and as the more likely superstar and player with the higher floor.

 

[wonton15]

I’d still pay Rantanen if he flops in CAR, shakes loose, and wants to come here. Definitely need the impact winger to play beside Pettersson if we don’t trade him and hope it reignites both players as well.

 

[arttk]

Ya, but my point is, this wouldn't be a situation where management/doctors missed some injury that was unknown to them or the player. This wouldn't be comparable at all since Pettersson/management/doctors already knew of this injury, and identified it. So, again, the theory is that everyone just kind of forgot about the injury but yet it is still significantly affecting Pettersson, which seems very far fetched to me.



My point is that Dhaliwal isn't necessarily 100% credible. He could just have bad sources. We don't know who he spoke to with the Canucks, or whether he spoke to anyone with the Canucks. He could have got the information second hand.


I agree that is a bit puzzling. It may be that it was such a minor injury that management was never made aware. But you would think they were aware of all players' injury statuses.



My post was questioning the theory that the Canucks medical staff / management somehow don't currently know of an existing injury that actually has existed for like a calendar year, and which has been acknowledged and discussed by the player, the coach and the media, and which is currently a signficant factor in their highest paid player scoring at half his expected rate. Like, its a wild theory in my view.

I get that medical staff, and by extension, a management team, could miss and not know of a new injury to a player, for whatever reason, but that's not what we are talking about right now.



If Hughes wants out it should be a tear down rebuild, and I am looking for younger/better future pieces.

Ummm we had Petey saying the injury got worse at the season ending press and management at the same time saying it’s not an issue.

So it might not be missed but we can 100% question if the medical team underplayed it and provided the wrong recommendation.

I mean can you confidently say yeah the medical team is 100% right to let Petey play through it and there is zero doubt management made the right call.

 

[I am toxic]

Canucks medical staff give vivisectionists* a bad name

*yeah, it's a word. No, I don't know what it means either. Google it ffs

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Yes. Dude he was nuts. Did that w/ Kuzmenko and Mikheyev on a team pre-Hughes breakout, or just at the beginning of QH’s breakout.

Ive posted the list of Cs to hit 100 points in the last 15 or so years.. like far and away the worst player on that list is Nuge. The rest is 87, 97, 29, matthews, malkin, draisaitl, giroux, stamkos, jt, ep, and nuge. (off the top of my head prob im forgetting someone)

And he did that in his age 23 season and, IMO AT THE TIME, it was totally valid to write off the previous inconsistencies due to the weirdness of Benning eras and COVID. Obviously now I look back at that differently and think.. well I guess those were signs but that seems hindsight bias informed.

Suggesting that it was obvious to deal him at that time was just nuts man. If you polled 100 canucks fans two years ago today during that 22-23 season, guarantee you 80-90% at minimum would have put EP above Hughes and as the more likely superstar and player with the higher floor.

Most here voted EP over Hughes as MVP and captain after that season, and yea, they were horribly wrong. Hughes flipped the god mode switch mid season and was clear cut the teams best player. Should have got a Norris nomination, but there was just no media hype behind him for it.

For EP, It really should have been obvious for anyone looking closely. The red flags from the previous 2 seasons didn't disappear.

His numbers really didn't match the eye test, he would fade against top teams, had his worst season on the PP, looked just like he does now all year. Too many believed his big ES and SH numbers made him a better player than those with PP points, but it's really the opposite.

The powerplay is where star players set their floor, without it, there's a long way to fall, and free fall he has. It was a ton of puck luck and unique chemistry with a winger that is no longer here. Yes, he played much better, but not the difference of a 50p and 100+p guy.

At the time, there wasn't too much to cheer about, and it's pretty clear that many were just listening to games, taking commentary as gospel, and reading stats. EP's 22-23 season has since been romanticized, remembered as better than it really was. He's not going to bounce back to that player, because that player really only existed on paper.

Team had ample time to recognize this early that season, and early last season. They've dragged it out, and wasted good shots at a deep playoff run.

 

[Jerry the great]

EP played like a legitimate superstar in the second half of 22-23 once Green was fired. That is indisputable. That’s his best stretch of his career.

Petterson had 16 points in 31 games to start the 21/22 season. Green was fired in dec 2021 and after that:

52 points in 49 games under Boudreau

54 points in 44 games under Boudreau to start the 22/23 season

48 points in 36 games under Tocchet

 

[Rowlet]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

 

[Jerry the great]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

if i had to guess, it's Donato

 

[pitseleh]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

Mikheyev

 

[ephmrl]

if i had to guess, it's Donato

He's too slow, maybe Reichel

 

[Ernie]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

I don't think I'd want a single forward off that roster, aside from Bedard of course. Very odd trading partner.

 

[arttk]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

Bertuzzi? Terivanen?

 

[LemonSauceD]

He's too slow, maybe Reichel

Could be a nice buy low candidate.

 

[Rowlet]

if i had to guess, it's Donato

Bertuzzi? Terivanen?

I don't think I'd want a single forward off that roster, aside from Bedard of course. Very odd trading partner.

Craig Smith maybe? Right handed centre, and there aren't many available

 

[Ernie]

Bertuzzi? Terivanen?

Hard pass on both. No way I want Tyler Bertuzzi anywhere near this team.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Canucks medical staff give vivisectionists* a bad name

*yeah, it's a word. No, I don't know what it means either. Google it ffs

 

[Hodgy]

Ummm we had Petey saying the injury got worse at the season ending press and management at the same time saying it’s not an issue.

So it might not be missed but we can 100% question if the medical team underplayed it and provided the wrong recommendation.

I mean can you confidently say yeah the medical team is 100% right to let Petey play through it and there is zero doubt management made the right call.

My point isn't that I don't think the medical team could f*** this up, only that it doesn't make sense that no one would even know of this injury given as that would imply that everyone sort of just forgot about it notwithstanding that it continued to exist and cause issues for Petey. Again, just seems farfetched to me.

 

[Bobby9]

Maybe it’s Jason Dickinson

 

[I am toxic]

Mikheyev

If anyone knows how to come back from getting screwed over by Canucks medical staff vis a vis* an effed up knee, it's . . . Mik

That knowledge and experience could come in handy , I suppose

*it's Mandarin. Means tete a tete** in Cantonese

** means toe to toe in ancient Greekese, from Errorstotle's famous treatise Head and shoulders, knees and toes. Spoiler alert: it ends with ayes and knows

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Canucks are scouting Chicago again tonight, they've scouted them a few games in a row now

Not really an awful lot of interest in anything, at F or D, outside of Bedard on that roster.

Given the Canucks are rumored to be looking for a top 6 C, I suppose maybe it could be Teuvo Teravainen? He's produced fairly consistently over his career, has plenty of playoff experience, and we have the cap space to absorb his $5.4M hit over the next two years.

Just guessing based on what the Canucks are rumored to be after. I think the Canucks want speed - I haven't seen enough of Teravainen to know if that's a big part of his game or not.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'm all for Reichel.

 

[Jerry the great]

Craig Smith maybe? Right handed centre, and there aren't many available

hasn't really played C in years.