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[theguardianII]

We aren't getting young impact players without making Willander/Lekk/EP2 available, and the roster is being set up to compete for the next half dozen years. Management isn't going to wait for even more rookies, they want to compete now. People freak out too much about 30 year old players.

See Islanders.

Is Cozens a rookie? Voronkov? Sillinger, Johnson, was Necas. Where do you think these players come from? Horvat, Boeser, Hughes, Demko? Where did they come from? Maybe with better management the team could have had more success but they didn't.
The 2010/2011 team came mostly through the draft, Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Bieska, quite a few others.

Players don't have career years every year. The old "prime" was between 27 and 31, now with all the young talent being better prepared it is 23 to 28.

IF some of the vets are traded to "win now" teams that are much closer to condender status or needing a market bump might get good drafted players.

IF, IF, IF the Canucks did trade Hughes next draft in 2026 AND they didn't have a much worse year than this they could be in on McKenna and Misa. Are they good enough? There are always ways to over spend to get some of these players. Something insane. Retention with NHL players and picks, maybe even 6 picks or more over two years for one pick.

There are many possibilities out there.

This group is not the end all be all of hockey. One fluke year doesn't make a contender as proven out now.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Apparently Ranta is looking for 14+. Avs probably knew it and decided to nope out of it without even trying to re-sign him. There will be a bidding war and his camp will probably use Canucks as leverage, Guentzel-style.

He's probably the best UFA since Marian Hossa.

That man will get paid unless he goes to Vegas or Tampa where he will take a massive discount because **** you.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Cap super tight for 1 year but it COULD work.
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Zero chance Rantanen and Marner take that low of a number.

Atleast in Van.

 

[Flik]

He's probably the best UFA since Marian Hossa.

That man will get paid unless he goes to Vegas or Tampa where he will take a massive discount because **** you.

Yup, and we saw how much of an impact Hossa made on the team that shall not be named. I'd be over the moon if we signed Rantanen or even Marner as FAs, but totally prefer Rantanen.

 

[arttk]

Zero chance Rantanen and Marner take that low of a number.

Atleast in Van.

Did not realize I was lowballing both of them at 13.5, I guess we’ll have to really see what they sign for to get a sense how players are reacting to the cap increase.

 

[wonton15]

I’d happily give Rantanen 14+ with term if he actually makes it to free agency and wants to come here. He’s EXACTLY what this team needs. Like there isn’t a better possible fit beside Pettersson.

If push came to shove and Marner was the one that lands, I would do it too. The impact forward hole in our roster is massive.

 

[credulous]

What? Replacement level? All of his last 4 seasons have him hid him at a 20+ goal pace and 50+ point ballpark, usually doing it versus tough comp on Miller's wing.

I have plenty of time for arguments around age related decline will affect him and how many more 30 goal paced seasons he has in him. But lets not say silly things like "he's been a replacement level player."

almost any nhl wing can get 20 goals and 50 points if given top line minutes and top power play opportunity. boeser brings NOTHING else. that's replacement level

 

[sting101]

Funny hearing Ferraro talking about Pettersson

“He plays Detroit and is flying through the neutral zone and had those 2 on 1’s and barely missed and hit the crossbar in the slot, and you are so encouraged and want to think he’s back”

“Then he plays Colorado against Mackinnon who was dangerous every shift, and Pettersson looked like an AHL call up”

“I just don’t get it with him right now, it is so polarizing as a player, the interest level from him when he is off is non existent”

this comment is why the arguments keep perpetuating

If it was obvious he is just hampered by injury alone i truly believe a lot of the fanbase would show patience and compassion

It looks so bad when you get the bag and then show these wild inconsistencies get called out and asked to move your feet and compete and just lay eggs time and time again

It was easier before to see him struggle because JT could pull things along also but now this is his team up front and as he goes we will go.

I've been critical because i think he's a flake and it's not as much injury related as some like to think.

But as a Canuck fan i truly hope this guy can figure things out get the mental help he needs maturity and health or the relationship is going to sour real bad.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Does this not apply to anyone that doesn't drive their own offense? It's really a nothing point this year

The 2 have had past success and will still be good on the PP with Hughes. the issue is both of them need speed and strength to help them maintain possession or be with a guy like Hughes dancing around everyone.

It makes the most sense to split them up at 5v5 and then find the 2 guys to compliment them best

I don't think were in a position to chisel off more goals from this group

Who cares about the PK. Did just fine last year with Miller as a match up line. He doesn't have to drive offense it's nothing new. Speed and physicality is nothing without skill. He's an excellent playmaker and players with his scoring ability are hard to get. If it was so easy then why have we constantly been spinning our wheels here trying to add quality scoring.

It's nonsensical building a case against Boeser until we know his ask. If he plays ball and wants to take a good contract for both sides then get it done...."the risk" is going to UFA with 31 other teams loaded with insane amounts of cap space and getting into bidding wars over 29-35yr olds

You are talking about extending a slow, non-play driving winger at $8m x 8 and you don't care that he provides no other utility, and that he is inconsistent (season to season) offensively?

Wingers with his offensive ability is not hard to get at all, there are at least 3 other pending UFA wingers that are much better than him this season, not to mention other options in the trade market.

It was hard for us to find scoring in the past because we capped ourselves out on overpaying depth players. We had OEL and Myers eating $13m for multiple seasons, how are you going to get scoring when you have that much cap tied up to them? In the past couple seasons we have inefficient contracts in the form of Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Dickinson, OEL buy out, etc. We are mostly off that now, so we shouldn't have too much trouble finding a Boeser replacement.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Hughes finding Rantanen on the PP would be something to watch for sure.

 

[sting101]

You are talking about extending a slow, non-play driving winger at $8m x 8 and you don't care that he provides no other utility, and that he is inconsistent (season to season) offensively?

Wingers with his offensive ability is not hard to get at all, there are at least 3 other pending UFA wingers that are much better than him this season, not to mention other options in the trade market.

It was hard for us to find scoring in the past because we capped ourselves out on overpaying depth players. We had OEL and Myers eating $13m for multiple seasons, how are you going to get scoring when you have that much cap tied up to them? In the past couple seasons we have inefficient contracts in the form of Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Dickinson, OEL buy out, etc. We are mostly off that now, so we shouldn't have too much trouble finding a Boeser replacement.

You obviously didn't read what i posted or you would not have written that first paragraph

If they are give me 10 viable targets.

Kuz and Mik yes the 10 million dollars we paid because we had little to no assets to get better players or massive amounts of cap space and needed more than just 1 player? And that worked out how?

The trouble will be the cost of that alternative...if you think UFAs are a good alternative in a massive rising cap i have news for ya

 

[Bleach Clean]

this comment is why the arguments keep perpetuating

If it was obvious he is just hampered by injury alone i truly believe a lot of the fanbase would show patience and compassion

It looks so bad when you get the bag and then show these wild inconsistencies get called out and asked to move your feet and compete and just lay eggs time and time again

It was easier before to see him struggle because JT could pull things along also but now this is his team up front and as he goes we will go.

I've been critical because i think he's a flake and it's not as much injury related as some like to think.

But as a Canuck fan i truly hope this guy can figure things out get the mental help he needs maturity and health or the relationship is going to sour real bad.

Do you recall him having high-end acceleration in any of the games he's played this year? If so, please reference the game. I can't think of one.

Pettersson has gotten by so far on his elite mind, but he needs his speed to challenge defenders.

 

[Nick Lang]

It also doesn't help that the centre he had great chemistry with last season is gone, and Boeser has looked terrible next to Petey this season.

If after the 4 Nations break he continues to look the same, I'd move on from him. It's not worth the risk to give him a massive long-term contract with his play this season and the previous few seasons.

He's also had 9 in 34 since the injury or a 21 goal pace.

The arguments both for and against from posters are very compelling. Like @Hodgy said I would be more inclined to move on if we had a better prospect succession plan. As such we're in a bit of a rock and a hard place. I also believe he's looking to get paid pretty significantly but it will be hard to find adequate goalscoring elsewhere ... although assets from his trade would help.

I'm still leaning towards letting him go and continuing to reset the team, but barely and I'm just kind of watching how this one unfolds.

 

[Ernie]

But the players call Marcus, Petey. A Petey has to give.

I'm going to order a Canucks sweater with the name Pettersson on the back and a Question Mark for the number.

Now that's future proofing right there.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Neither Rantanen or Marner are coming here lol.

 

[me2]

If boeser wants $8m he needs to show her can create his own offense. Just play Brock with Petterson for the rest of the season he'll have to since Petterson is struggling.

 

[Ernie]

I'm coming around to the re-signing Boeser, but trade protection must be minimal after a couple of seasons and no longer than 6 years total.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I would totally pass on Marner unless he comes in at under 11 mil.

Such a pedestrian player in the playoffs. The one series against Tampa where he racked up points was due to Vasilevskiy randomly turning into sieve and posting a GAA of 3.57 and a .875 SV%.

Absolute shameful display last year where he refused to retrieve or chase pucks out of fear of getting hit.

You may as well re-sign Boeser for much less.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I’d happily give Rantanen 14+ with term if he actually makes it to free agency and wants to come here. He’s EXACTLY what this team needs. Like there isn’t a better possible fit beside Pettersson.

If push came to shove and Marner was the one that lands, I would do it too. The impact forward hole in our roster is massive.

This.

Impact forwards/players will drive franchises now more than ever. This is why it's such a smart play by CAR: They went after Rantanen right before that scarcity will hit the hardest imo.

It's also why I think PHI moved Frost/Farabee, but in their case, they'll be chasing that impact forward while CAR already has one. In terms of probability, PHI would have been better off trading the two after getting Rantanen/Marner...

 

[LemonSauceD]

He’s talking about Noah Dobson. Not sure how credible he is but he does have a large following.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

I’d happily give Rantanen 14+ with term if he actually makes it to free agency and wants to come here. He’s EXACTLY what this team needs. Like there isn’t a better possible fit beside Pettersson.

If push came to shove and Marner was the one that lands, I would do it too. The impact forward hole in our roster is massive.

Yeah the more I think about it the more they need to add that one more big catalyst on offense. Either player would fill a huge need.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

He’s talking about Noah Dobson. Not sure how credible he is but he does have a large following.

we can't have two Noah's on one team, one of them is gonna have to go

 

[arttk]

almost any nhl wing can get 20 goals and 50 points if given top line minutes and top power play opportunity. boeser brings NOTHING else. that's replacement level

Markus Granlund says hi, sadly if anyone knows it should be us because we ran that experiment.
f*** we even put him on the PP with the f***ing twins and the best he could do was like 30ish points.

 

[Ernie]

Ferraro is mindboggled. Says that Pettersson is not playing with pace, the game can't slow down to him, he needs to speed up. Doesn't need to hit another gear, needs to hit 2 gears. Mentions that he looked good in the last period of the Detroit game.

 

[sting101]

Do you recall him having high-end acceleration in any of the games he's played this year? If so, please reference the game. I can't think of one.

Pettersson has gotten by so far on his elite mind, but he needs his speed to challenge defenders.

i've seen glimpses. But yes i get where you are going with that. He's had some physical issues i agree....not 100% convinced it's all tendinitis but sure it's a big piece of the puzzle

I dont even really care anymore. The team is no longer a contender and it will just flush out over time.

It's a boring argument now. I hope he can rebound or it will get ugly for him and he will get traded

Is he playing in the 4 Nations?