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Reverend Mayhem said:
Who's playing center on this team? You're about to make 18k+ people really upset watching losing hockey for more years. Just saying, you said it yourself in too many words - Ritchie for Miller straight up will be their final offer. Hell, I'd take Mitts and Ritchie, but they'd have to be big dumb to offer that, we'd have to ask.
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EP and Suter for now.

Mits can stay and play or you swap him in another deal.

Like I said, a Colorado deal is not be all, end all as other deals can be made to upgrade the roster (i.e. Boeser trade, flip Mits).
 
What about acquiring Mits and flipping to another team?

Say to Toronto for a deal around Reilly?

Or to Minny for a package around Rossi?

I think there's options.
 
Vector said:
None of those options are in-season, apart from Nelson. I agree with you that the likely hood of Ritchie being traded is extremely low, though. That's why I don't really see the Avalanche as a great trading partner.

Maybe something including Gulyayev and he's flipped with draft compensation.
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i think they might be even less interested in moving gulyayev. they apparently love him

i just don't think the avs are a good trade partner. i'm not interested in mittelstadt, colton or picks. their only real prospect i think is attainable and interested in zellers but he's a long term project and he's a winger
 
Team got healthy and now it's winning.

Get a good #3D and let the team cook.

If you can get a solid 2C and 3D for Petey, I think you have to do it.
Reverend Mayhem said:
I get a really weird vibe off this team. Like, spooky weird. I've never got this sort of vibe from a team doing this well in the standings since 2008-09. Everything looks like it's about to fall apart, but it just won't. This is principally when you should be having 'business meetings' or 'player's only' meetings.
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I get 93-94 Canucks vibes.

Underperforming expectations but may find themselves in.
 
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credulous said:
i think they might be even less interested in moving gulyayev. they apparently love him

i just don't think the avs are a good trade partner. i'm not interested in mittelstadt, colton or picks. their only real prospect i think is attainable and interested in zellers but he's a long term project and he's a winger
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Gulyayev is fools gold. A player you should trade because he has value in a trade but will likely never amount to anything. Similar to the Canucks and Hunter Brzustewicz.
 
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pitseleh said:
Mittelstadt is not bad - he’s a great playmaker and is actually ok defensively - but he is slow and soft, so I can’t see how he works on this team with the wingers it has and the way Tocchet wants to play.
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Mitts is generally below the 50% CF% bar and is in the higher xGA cohort. Though I wouldn't call his environments conducive to xGA. I find him below average defensively. But room to improve due to his intelligence.

That said, yes, excellent playmaker. Good skill. Of Kotkaniemi, Chytil and himself, he's the one best suited for the 2C role.

And it might be as simple as just that: Get the 2C. Worry about the wingers later.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
Mitts is generally below the 50% CF% bar and is in the higher xGA cohort. Though I wouldn't call his environments conducive to xGA. I find him below average defensively. But room to improve due to his intelligence.

That said, yes, excellent playmaker. Good skill. Of Kotkaniemi, Chytil and himself, he's the one best suited for the 2C role.

And it might be as simple as just that: Get the 2C. Worry about the wingers later.
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He has had a positive ES xGA/60 relative to his teammates every season (other than his first when he only played 6 games). That includes this season on a strong Avalanche team. It’s just that his offence has fallen off a cliff this year.

His Qualcomp numbers (via JFresh) don’t suggest he’s been sheltered either.

I don’t think he’s a world beater defensively but probably average-above average by the numbers.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
Mitts is generally below the 50% CF% bar and is in the higher xGA cohort. Though I wouldn't call his environments conducive to xGA. I find him below average defensively. But room to improve due to his intelligence.

That said, yes, excellent playmaker. Good skill. Of Kotkaniemi, Chytil and himself, he's the one best suited for the 2C role.

And it might be as simple as just that: Get the 2C. Worry about the wingers later.
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Personally, if everything else were equal and I had to choose between those three players, I think I'd take a chance on Chytil over Mittelstadt and Kotkaniemi....concussion risk and all, I think he has the highest upside since he's played behind Trocheck and Zibanejad and still put up reasonable numbers and makes significantly less money, and he can LTIRetire if the concussions become an issue...either way, none of them are great options IMO.
 
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Mittelstadt is an ok softish middling (mittling?) 2C but I was baffled by the reactions that Colorado won that trade last year and it's interesting to see the perceptions of him regressing back to his actual level of performances.

Probably another case of the 'age 25 and younger : UNLIMITED POTENTIAL!' to 'turns 26, he is what he is' phenomenon in effect.
 
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MS said:
Mittelstadt is an ok softish middling (mittling?) 2C but I was baffled by the reactions that Colorado won that trade last year and it's interesting to see the perceptions of him regressing back to his actual level of performances.

Probably another case of the 'age 25 and younger : UNLIMITED POTENTIAL!' to 'turns 26, he is what he is' phenomenon in effect.
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Yes, I had the same take before and at t he time he was traded from Buffalo. But I've never really liked him ever since watching him at the WJCs. Just not a fan of undersized, soft and slow centres.

EDIT: EXCECPT KYLE WELLWOOD. I loved him, but he was a pretty uniquely skilled player.
 
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pitseleh said:
He has had a positive ES xGA/60 relative to his teammates every season (other than his first when he only played 6 games). That includes this season on a strong Avalanche team. It’s just that his offence has fallen off a cliff this year.

His Qualcomp numbers (via JFresh) don’t suggest he’s been sheltered either.

I don’t think he’s a world beater defensively but probably average-above average by the numbers.
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Ah, I didn't have his qualcomp numbers. He's at 38.94 xGA this year, which is right around Vilardi, Schmaltz, and Beniers. All of them are better in xGF though. Maybe the higher qualcomp has weakened his HDCFs? It would stand to reason.

If he's at least ok defensively, then he's worth serious consideration.
 
Vector said:
It is very funny(exhausting) how it flips between Miller & Pettersson day-to-day.
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I think the whole thing is hilarious. Because obviously Mason got the scoop on the big story with JR, but after those two big stories, all of the rumours just kind of seem dumb and pointless. Like, everyone knows what management is thinking, and unless the rumours are going to get into the nitty gritty about actual player targets, who cares? Like, you've got a rumour that Miller or Pettersson might be traded? No shit, the president just came out and said that already. You better come up with something better than that.
 
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Vector said:
It is very funny(exhausting) how it flips between Miller & Pettersson day-to-day.
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It seems like Miller has always been on the table but I think they really like Necas (enough to make him a center peice in a Petey trade). Last year it seems it was close this year same thing (and in between they were very interested in Necas during the offseason).

I wonder if perhaps things heat up on the trade front end of next week (last game before the 4 nation break is Feb 9).
 
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