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[Breakers]

old man is doing entirely too much

Rutherford talking about Hughes now

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

It's official - JR and Allvin are marginally better than Benning and Linden. At best.

They just can't stay out of the f***ing media and we're going to get massively ripped off because of it.

Until actually bad results happen, we're a long ways off from Benning. Is this frustrating? Yes. Could Allvin/Rutherford have handled things better? Absolutely. I've also been highly critical of our poorly constructed defense.

That all said, so far, it's been annoying issues, but nothing the lacks of trading for a complete albatross contract that had to be bought out, gifting away pick after pick chasing mediocre if not downright bad prospects or drafting terribly unless the choice is so obvious it's practically gift wrapped. And even then you still almost f*** it up (Glass over Pettersson).

If we end up trading both Pettersson for peanuts or actually retain on Miller for even smaller peanuts, then we're getting into Benning territory. We're a good ways off from that.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

JR is willingly relinquishing the control of the interpretation in order to get his quotes through. And lest we forget, who is the one crafting the article and headline? Gary Mason: Known Aquilini confidant. The same reporter that tweeted Miller may not move by the TDL before this article came out... Coincidence?

This is all "part of the plan".

JR bids for time, implying that they could keep Miller for their own run rather than bolster someone else's run, knowing it can't possibly lower potential returns -- Because all the teams/insiders already know this. His admission is largely irrelevant.

Last: It's not an indefinite timeline. By stating it's still an issue to be addressed, he's relaying something will happen. It just doesn't need to happen at a time most optimal for the buying team. i.e. in the offseason.

Listening to the Whiteboard right now, Drance immediately picks up on this. He gets it. (Have a listen)

Again, I hope you're right that this is some sort of 4D chess move, and Rutherford obviously has much better insight on the situation than some dweeb on the internet (ie me) so it's reasonable to give some deference to him.

I agree that the messaging from the interview had to be "we'll trade Miller if the price is right and keep him if not" and if that was what he said, I don't think he'd be getting roasted on here. The problem is that the message that came across was "we can't fix this internally". To me this means the Canucks will eventually be forced into a trade, and the leverage in their current position can simply be waited out. I just don't see how this is preferable to just not saying anything at all.

 

[TruGr1t]

JR is willingly relinquishing the control of the interpretation in order to get his quotes through. And lest we forget, who is the one crafting the article and headline? Gary Mason: Known Aquilini confidant. The same reporter that tweeted Miller may not move by the TDL before this article came out... Coincidence?

This is all "part of the plan".

JR bids for time, implying that they could keep Miller for their own run rather than bolster someone else's run, knowing it can't possibly lower potential returns -- Because all the teams/insiders already know this. His admission is largely irrelevant.

Last: It's not an indefinite timeline. By stating it's still an issue to be addressed, he's relaying something will happen. It just doesn't need to happen at a time most optimal for the buying team. i.e. in the offseason.

Listening to the Whiteboard right now, Drance immediately picks up on this. He gets it. (Have a listen)

Bingo. Sat was on with Kyper and Bourne today on their show and said exactly the same thing. Insiders all singing from the same hymn book, obviously. This was all orchestrated ... relatively poorly as the Canucks tend to do, but Mason's follow-up Tweets and the Sat and Drance thing are obvious.

Canucks seem to have set the trade deadline as a soft target for resolution, but I think they're willing to let it go until the summer.

 

[xtr3m]

Again, I hope you're right that this is some sort of 4D chess move, and Rutherford obviously has much better insight on the situation than some dweeb on the internet (ie me) so it's reasonable to give some deference to him.

I agree that the messaging from the interview had to be "we'll trade Miller if the price is right and keep him if not" and if that was what he said, I don't think he'd be getting roasted on here. The problem is that the message that came across was "we can't fix this internally". To me this means the Canucks will eventually be forced into a trade, and the leverage in their current position can simply be waited out. I just don't see how this is preferable to just not saying anything at all.

Apparently he did say something along the lines of "we'll trade Miller if the price is right and keep him if not" it's just that Gary forgot to put that in.

 

[Blue and Green]

the thing that bothers me with "these are two adults, why can't they got along!" when it's almost certainty one asshole being an asshole to a normal guy whose only issue is he constantly has to endure with the asshole being an asshole to them.

If the problem was all because of Miller, almost certainly they would be looking only to trade Miller. Both are being shopped.

What I've read from a couple of people here over the past three years or so, who have connections to alumni or people within the organization, is that the problem is not entirely Miller's fault and that Pettersson hasn't been particularly popular among his teammates. There was also Brad Richardson's comment a few weeks ago that he had told Miller that he was too hard on Pettersson but also that Miller was "saying exactly what I think."

 

[VanillaCoke]

Cozens & Byram assist on Tage goal ..

 

[LemonSauceD]

Cozens & Byram assist on Tage goal ..

Dominos

 

[Vector]

Cozens & Byram assist on Tage goal ..

Before this goal, Dylan Cozens had more 5v5 points than any Canucks forward. He still does but now it's even more.

 

[TruGr1t]

the thing that bothers me with "these are two adults, why can't they got along!" when it's almost certainty one asshole being an asshole to a normal guy whose only issue is he constantly has to endure with the asshole being an asshole to them.

Pettersson and "normal guy" don't belong in the same sentence.

 

[Wisp]

If the problem was all because of Miller, almost certainly they would be looking only to trade Miller. Both are being shopped.

What I've read from a couple of people here over the past three years or so, who have connections to alumni or people within the organization, is that the problem is not entirely Miller's fault and that Pettersson hasn't been particularly popular among his teammates. There was also Brad Richardson's comment a few weeks ago that he had told Miller that he was too hard on Pettersson but also that Miller was "saying exactly what I think."

yeah i don't buy it. toxic assholes thrive this way all the time.

 

[Blue and Green]

Cozens & Byram assist on Tage goal ..

We just missed their peak. Don't make the deal.

 

[Bgav]

worst part about this all, is the months of threads on the main boards

 

[Blue and Green]

yeah i don't buy it. toxic assholes thrive this way all the time.

Yes, and so do passive-aggressives.

 

[iceburg]

the thing that bothers me with "these are two adults, why can't they got along!" when it's almost certainty one asshole being an asshole to a normal guy whose only issue is he constantly has to endure with the asshole being an asshole to them.

While this is a possibility, one has to believe that the organization, with significant input from Hughes, would then target the one bad apple. It doesn't appear to have played out this way. A good guess is that Miller's personality is pretty aggressive and that doesn't sit well with some. But, if EP didn't contribute to the bad situation, why in the world would they even consider trading him.

 

[Quinning]

People really forget how apocalyptically terrible Benning and Linden were. This is just noise, it's annoying. What's going on is an implosion of a core Benning built, whoever took over from Benning would have to deal with all the same shit.

You're right. At the end of the day, this remains Benning's fault. The main pieces of this core were there for the Bubble Run and the subsequent bungling of talent management.

 

[Wisp]

Pettersson and "normal guy" don't belong in the same sentence.

notice you didn't protest that miller was 'asshole' tho.

 

[TruGr1t]

notice you didn't protest that miller was 'asshole' tho.

No, he is clearly an asshole and Pettersson is clearly a weirdo. The "normal guys" on the team (ie. Boeser, Myers, Garland etc.) don't seem to have issues with anyone. I wouldn't call Hughes normal because Hockey Gods are not normal.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Before this goal, Dylan Cozens had more 5v5 points than any Canucks forward. He still does but now it's even more.

I want cozens & byram/power (+/-) sofa king bad and this deal makes way way too much sense for both teams.

Im more annoyed by the hour that it doesn't get done, but also trying to ignore it because the constant teases/drama are aggravating.

 

[Quinning]

Cozens and Byram is a best case scenario at this point.

 

[Wisp]

No, he is clearly an asshole and Pettersson is clearly a weirdo.

The thing about the "weirdo" label is almost always applied by the asshole when they get push back from their bullshit.

 

[TruGr1t]

The thing about the "weirdo" label is almost always applied by the asshole when they get push back from their bullshit.

There are plenty of "normal" guys on the team who don't seem to have an issue with either Miller or Pettersson, and are just playing hockey.

 

[Wisp]

There are plenty of "normal" guys on the team who don't seem to have an issue with either Miller or Pettersson, and are just playing hockey.

was tampa and the rangers full of weirdos and that's why they traded him? hmm.

 

[supercanuck]

While this is a possibility, one has to believe that the organization, with significant input from Hughes, would then target the one bad apple. It doesn't appear to have played out this way. A good guess is that Miller's personality is pretty aggressive and that doesn't sit well with some. But, if EP didn't contribute to the bad situation, why in the world would they even consider trading him.

How would you handle it if someone was in your face at work everyday for the last 4 years though? Just sit there quietly and take it? It's easy for us to say from behind our keyboards, but I don't know what people are expecting in this scenario. Not directing at you but seems like a lot of victim blaming.

 

[Vector]

was tampa and the rangers full of weirdos and that's why they traded him? hmm.

To be fair, that's not even close to the reason that Tampa Bay traded Miller.